Becoming a natural should be the end goal for anybody learning PUA. There has to be a time where a man consciously forgets about all the techniques and it becomes a part of him.

I first noticed I was on my way to becoming a natural when I was on vacation. For the first 4-5 days I was being blown out left and right. I was trying openers I saw online, I was too worried about the outcome... sometimes I was too pussy to approach women while sober so I was sloppy drunk.

Well the 2nd half of my vacation I decided to stop drinking all together. I was fed up with my friends making fun of me for being so horrible. I stopped trying to use openers that I saw online and I just went into it.

Once I let go of the outcome and trying to be perfect it was almost like magic happened. I was approaching EVERYBODY... even random guys I saw walking around just to start a convo. I had so much charisma that groups of people were following me around... people I've never met before. I was approaching women and speaking to their core identity within seconds because of my charisma, tonality and body language.

Later that night I made out with a girl at the bar, Some other chick jumped up on me and scratched my back for some reason i forget. I was sotally tober too..

I remember scanning one girl up and down as soon as I approached her... didn't say a work just gave her the look of approval. Instantly got her phone number.

This was about 6-7 years ago but it was my first major success story where I felt like the techniques became apart of me. Where I finally found my own style and found out who I really was. When "just be yourself" became good advice to me lol.

Becoming a natural is a journey... and to follow that path it's almost as if you're taking the training wheels off. You're riding a bike and you have to have enough faith that you can learn it. You may fall on your ass a few times but you know the process will be much more rewarding then limiting your success by keeping the training wheels on for the rest of your life.

My advice to people who are new to this is to just jump right in the water. Stop waiting for the perfect moment. If you've been learning and absorbing this shit for more than 3 months it's time to to take the training wheels off. Don't be a victim to information overload always chasing the next technique from some guru.

Being a natural.. I'm not saying I forgot everything I learned... but I consciously forgot it... if that makes sense. I wasn't focused on using techniques anymore... they'd just come to me like it was improv. I kept it simple.


Anyway I'd really like to hear your stories on how you first noticed becoming a natural.... or what is holding you back from becoming a natural?

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I don't see anything other than pure inexperience holding me back from becoming a natural. Once you have 'enough' experience with women, it becomes natural. For me it happens on a spectrum, not a switch. The reason we come here is because we for whatever reason ended up behind the curve. My older brother had sexual experiences (I don't know all the details, thank God) when we were in gradeschool, yet, I'm 100 times richer than my brother (literally) and that's why I'm behind the curve. I decided at an early age to work my ass off and ignore girls and not be social, so I became introverted, shy, etc. Of course I eventually realized I can be sexual with women, and still focus on being successful. Turns out it's a great combination My early decisions in life resulted in my lack of experience, which is what holds all of us back.

For you, me and most everyone else, we find what works by using trial and error in the field. I saw a thread on here about dressing like Nystery. Peacock theory has it's place, but you never get to be good at pickup by simply mimicing someone else. There's rarely congruence between a random PUA and dressing like a magician.

I never once memorized a line to use, I just started cold appraoching. I screwed up a lot in the beginning, and have moments ingrained in my mind of conversation threads that I'll never go down again... lots of conversational blowouts (failures) have lead me to meaningful conversations (success). This is a universal law that applies to anything when you want success.

I feel natural around both sexes now, and although I can always improve, I am happy with the level I am at. I only became this way after having hundreds of approaches under my belt. Every little encounter increments experience by a tad, and we eventually catch up to our "natural" counterparts; I'm pretty sure I've surpassed my brother and his "natural" skills. After so many women in my life, I've become pretty selective. I like hispanic women, but I find most of them are not a good match for me ('bad' enough), and are just plain boring (going out with their girl friends all the time, or just all text game and no action). I went cold on the 2 hispanic women that have all these cultural pretenses they must live and die by for the 1 that knows the business

haha awesome man!

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Dude, you can't become a natural. You either are a natural or not. What you describe here is the simple process of getting better with women. A natural uses a pick up technique without even knowing that it's a technique. These guys have always been good with women. For them it's normal. They didn't go through the same development process as you did.

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Not exactly. Some people may have the same natural skills but they just did not use them because of having huge AA or being bullied at school (not being "popular") etc. So they need those techniques to help them "restart" or restore their self value etc. Once they do that they use their natural behavior (which was suppressed back in the young days).
Being natural does not exactly mean you should not know or use "the techniques" at all. For most naturals the techniques are just the way to "restart" themselves.

I disagree.

You get over AA. Fail hundreds (or thousands) of times. Get rejected, shot down and you get desensitized to it. You'll stop caring and stop worrying about the embarrassment of failure.

You start with routines. You figure out what works and what doesn't. Eventually you ditch the routines for your own stuff.

Over time, you become relaxed, confident and... natural.

It happens if you do it enough, fail enough, and have the drive and ambition to make yourself into that person.

But then it isn't something which comes natural to you. As you've said it requires a lot of work to become that person. You may be right if you relate to your approaches. They can become more natural. Everyone who's into Pick Up for several years sooner or later realizes that the key to success lies in embracing yourself, becoming your best self and doing what you like instead of copying what others do. This is some kind of natural approach to pick up. What I want to say is: you can become "natural" (that is finding out who you really are and only doing what fits you best) but you can't become "a natural". A natural, in my opinion, is someone who has always been good with women and who didn't need to go through the same process of trial and error as we did.

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I agree you're either a Natural or you're not. Natural is not the same as like discovering you're a talkative extrovert. You might for instance be a really cool person, but because of social anxiety you don't know your true self yet

it's probably a mix of both in terms of whether a natural is born or made. engineer types will probably always be a little more rehearsed. salesy types will probably veer towards spontaneity.

i'm super salesy in the sense that i even hate the idea of rejection-proof openers. the premise is flawed from the beginning. you go in and just improvise and see what happens. i like the balls out approach.

i think with number of approaches and some reflection, game will start to become more natural. my game is okay. i have a very strong personality and it's not really something i'm willing to comprise. why should those bitches call all the shots? now, i've had to temper parts to make it fit for human consumption, but there is a line that i won't cross in terms of representing myself. it definitely hurts my close ratio, but that's fine. i think it improves the quality of what comes through. my dates are better, for example. and i have more fun gaming.

fuck, i love gaming. can't say i love getting rejected 20 times in a row. but that's mostly a logistical thing. if you wreck the entire room, then you have to find another room. pain in the ass. hehe.

Cool bro exactly the answer I was looking for