I was watching the Greece v Romania game tonight (I am half Greek, just in case anybody was wondering why) at a Greek restaurant. On the table next to me there was a Greek girl with her mother. The girl is what I like to call a 'marmite girl'- you either like her or you don't, simple as. She was just my style: brunette, brown eyes, my height and she has barely noticeable ring piercing in her nose and a thumb ring (ie. she was a bit different to those 'classy girls' you see). In other words she was not a girl that you would instantly be attracted but considering she was exactly my type and had a beautiful smile, meant that I was not leaving the restaurant without even approaching her.

The only problem was that she was with her mother the whole time, which meant it made it near impossible to do. Her mother had actually interacted with myself and my friend during the game so I thought that there had been some sort of 'ice breaking' if you like, you know the whole 'someone from my close circle is talking to them so they must be fine' sort of thing.

I took chance when they were leaving. Somehow she had managed to stay back to put on her coat while her mother was round the corner out of visibility. This is exactly how the conversation went. It is translated from Greek to English:

Me: "Excuse me, can I talk to you for second. I wanted to speak to you during the game, but I realise you were with your mother and all. I know this is kind of direct but I don't see any other way so I was wondering whether you would like to go for coffee some time"

Her: "Yes ok, we can arrange it for some time" *Smiles and starts to walk off*

Me: "Ok. *Pause as I see her walking off* So how do you want to keep in touch?"

Her: *Pause as she stood next to her mother, to whom she gave a quick glance to (I knew at this point it was over) "Well, do you come here often?"

Me: "Not really, I live on the other side of town"

Her: "Uh, ok. Well I am going to be going to Greece soon.. *I don't remember the rest, by this time I had switched off due to losing out*

Me: OK (End)

I have no issue with the rejection itself (I actually don't believe in rejection, just feedback), I am just curious as to what it was. Was it indeed because her mother was present? Or was it because my approach was a bit lame? I realise it may also have been because of the fact that she just wasn't attracted to me, which is fair enough.

Obviously the only way of reviving this (yes, I am a dreamer) is by meeting her at the same restaurant again. What could I have said in order to have made her more relaxed at the time and more open to giving some form of communication?

Points to consider:

- I realise it isn't the brightest idea to try and talk to a girl when she is with her family but I tried to make the best out of the situation and would be kicking myself had I not spoken to her
- Our ages are between 20 and 23
- Please, only natural advice, I do not use routines or patterns. I am always myself when speaking with anybody, not just girls
- I was going to write my name and number down on a piece of paper and write that I wanted to talk to her, but she was not alone etc. and give it to her but I thought that it would be a bit beta

Please tell me your thoughts and feedback. It is, as always, much appreciated.

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If you approach classy, which you did, gaming in front of parents can totally work. The parents oftentimes like it as long as you look and act normal and you keep it as a fun vibe. You should have taken her #. When she said "ok we can go out" say "great give me your number and i'll text u." Do this with the next girl(s).

I see what you are saying but would asking for her number after not even a minute of conversation be too direct?

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It's either that or she's out of your life .....forever. Your call. But no, not in any way is that too direct.

Thanks man.

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It doesnt have to be seen asa disadvantage! You can use the mother to help with the approach and conversation it instantly qualifies you if you can win over the mother right away too.

I'd say open with an observation and then involve the mother!

Good Luck!

This is true. It's amazing how much the moms want to play along and be involved in the interactions oftentimes. They freaking love it much of the time. You generally win the mother over with your overall vibe and presentation. As the previous poster said, this is often instantaneous. Just for the love of all that's sacred don't come off as a "PUA running game".

Jesus Christ dude. She was with her mother. Get a fucking life.

Just be glad she wasn't with the DAD.


Anyway, VERY good post here. This is a situation I've been in a few times but would've never thought/remembered to post; What to do when parents/siblings are around.

I guess what you did when approaching directly would be considered a high risk approach because you were quick and got straight to the point in a confident manner. Who knows why she responded the way she did. No one here knows what was going on in her life or mind at this time. Maybe she's in a relationship. Maybe she's single. Maybe her parents are overprotective. Maybe she is a lesbian. Maybe she felt unpretty. Maybe she felt like she was too good for you. Maybe she felt like she was screwing up with you or didn't know what to do and wanted to abort the situation before it got worse in her mind. Maybe she has social anxiety or autism spectrum disorder, etc. etc. etc. The possibilities are endless and probably had nothing to do with your game a all. All I know is that she will most likely not forget that approach anytime too soon.

But I think you did the most important thing of all, which was to at least make the approach happen.

Youd have to approach the mother first. Shes the alpha female of that group. My friend Sasha Daygame has a direct opener he uses for this, in which he approaches the mother and then refers to them as sisters in order to flatter the mother.

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First this part. Definitely 100% accurate! That would have been a good cue depending on what she said. And you might as well just assume its because they thought you looked more interesting out of everyone else in the bar so they wanted to open you


maybe you didn't lose out entirely, you could have just been framing it badly. How do we stay in contact is good but you could have just gone from her "do you come her often" straight in to "no! I'm on the other side of town - I'm just here for (whatever interesting thing you are doing on that side of town) . chuck your number in here (pass her your phone/get number) that'll be easier. (keep smiling the whole time)

Then because you felt there was some slight negativeness at this point i would probably usually tell them to text me when they're bored some time and leave it at that point. Then smile and say something to both mother and daughter situational so its more casual.

You really need to charm the mother to like your personality when theres a mum involved. You want to get the girl stimulated and interested in a fun way, and the mum smiling in a "I approve of this gentleman" kind of way.

Unless you can get them both sexually pumped and have a weird kinky threesome. Weirder things have happened right?

and never think like this :
don't ever let any of that cross your mind. If any of that is true it doesn't matter. You have nothing to lose only something to gain.
If all else fails, practice makes perfect right? Exactly like your OP statement "I don't believe in rejections, just feedback"

THAT WAS SUPER GAME,,,,,why didn't you stick your phone in her hand?she sure would have given you the number.really and then you should have then greeted her mum with a polite handshake if you had done that you will be having the girl now