I want to take PUA into a different direction. Instead of learning routines to overshadow deficits, I want to argue the purpose of PUA is to develop Natural Game. Do you agree or disagree? All comments welcome.

Here is what I mean. I started pick up five years ago. I was overweight, uninteresting and had a small group of AFC friends. I could never close the deal with any woman. In fact, my biggest problem was that I had so much anxiety I could not even identify a woman giving me signals to indicate she had interest in me--assuming there was one who did. So much of this anxiety was tied to lack of confidence.

Fast forward five years later, I am muscular with broadened interests and my social circle has increased to include more interesting people--no, I did not dump my AFC friends many are now working on themselves.

What is the difference? Confidence. What does confidence do? There is no anxiety in whatever social situation I encounter. Why is this important? Because women Flirt with their eyes and with their lips. I can easily pick out a woman who wants me to approach her in any situation--at a bar, at the store or on the street. Pick up is so much more easy when you know an HB wants your attention in the first place.

I developed Natural game by working on three areas: my body, my mind and my friends. With all that came confidence. This consequently lead to no anxiety and this lead to picking up women without guessing whether they were interested.

Agree or Disagree: We all can develop Natural Game if we develop confidence?

Could not agree more

Completely agree.

I think that if you have good solid inner game, you don't particularly need routines and all that jazz.
(Though knowing the concepts behind them is still important)

You're confident enough to approach, you don't need her validation for anything you do/say, you don't need to validate her for anything she does/says and you don't mind if she rejects you.

However, I do understand that for those with low self-esteem, routines can be very useful in gaining confidence to start with. Though beyond a certain point once they've done that it is as you say "learning routines to overshadow deficits", deficits which can be fixed with learning to accept yourself.

I personally think it's all about inner game.
I don't want to learn pick-up because i want to sleep with hundreds of women, i want to improve on all aspects of my life and this happens to be one. One that is very rewarding as i love talking to people (and sleeping with them is pretty sweet too.)

Very interested to know what other pua's think, especially those who've been in the game a while.

p.s. James Marshall ftw

Agree. The way I see confidence is like a tree and "natural game" as we call it, may be one of its branches.

I allso had to develope traits to get confidence, though I wanted to improve myself, I was not seeking confidence it just came with the package.

There might be a problem here. Confidence is shown as an action presenting yourself in a way as if you are "the man". But is that allways good? Confidence in yourself could have a scale, the scale may go too high or too low. Finding that middle is hard and takes efford.

Confidence is allso linked to feelings -> hormones -> brain chemistry. The more drugs I take the more confident I get. Sometimes going off the scale, not even knowing. While sometimes I just like to be introverted (low dopamine), not giving eye contact to people, not seeking company, this is mostly in the morning at school. I still feel good being alone, while other groups watch me sitting by myself they might not see me as confident. I still have the confidence inside, even though it is not shown on the outside as in extravert mode. I am not scared, not bored, not hoping someone would say hi, I just enjoy spending time alone.

The point was the word confidence has a wider meaning in theory. What we understand as confidence is the feeling we get when we know we can do it without a doubt in our minds.

I agree. Sometimes though you just don't feel like superman on some days if you know what i mean though

I agree self-confidence is undoubtedly the foundation of natural game. What most people don't realize is how much it takes to gain self-confidence. Self-confidence is a wide area mind, body, spirit, emotions, and the relationships we have. It's not about being confident when you talk to a girl, it's being confident and you happen to be talking to a girl...

Just my 2 cents...

Peace and Love,

Vic

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