As a young RAFC take a journey with me. Lets take a step back and look at Pick-Up. This is what a typical PUA journey looks like from what i have seen

Envy a naturalDiscover pick up
Observe naturals, while learning pick up
Chase a naturals ability
incorporate what you have seen a natural do
Equal a natural
And surpass A natural

BUT is there really such a thing as a "natural"? Every natural I know has learned to "get the girls" the same way all of us essentially learn. The only difference is that we have learned later , in most cases, than they have. There are essentailly only 2 ways to learn game that i see.

1) Be taught
The difference between us and them is that alot of them have learned early on from male rolemodel figures such as Fathers, grandfathers, Uncles, Older brothers, Etc.. etc... Where as we have learned from The internet and books which in my mind qualify as teachers. AND Even we learn from other male rolemodels such as MPUA and more experienced PUAs.
Example: my natural best freind told me that as a child his father and uncle taught him the game. They told him to approach older women and incorporated him into their own routines...yes, he was a tool to pull girl much like a puppy. Then they would break down the approach and discuss with him why it worked/failed.

2)Trial and error
The process of trying a concept or idea with a woman. If she reacts positively, keep it! If she reacts negatively, scrap it! Basically doing this untill you gain success. Rafc's like myself even do this because you have to figure out what game works for you and what game doesnt untill you gain some consistancy. That consistancy is called a "routine". As we all know the MM doesnt work for everyone. There is no "one size fits all" game. We have to be "congruent" as all the vets call it.
Example: Mystery created the mystery method by trail and error. The Game even says he had no knowledge of the online community at first. Even Casanova has elements of trial and error. This is before the internet so where was he gonna go to learn game.

We ALL have to learn game the same way. One person who is learning is just "typically" child or younger male. The other is just "typically" an older male. Right? My conclusion is that all men are naturals and all naturals are PUA's to some degree! If we are all naturals than ANY man can become a PUA and a NATURAL. So is there realy such thing as a natural or a pua. Arent we all just becoming, for lack of a better word, SEDUCERS! Algebraicly (natural = seducer) and (PUA = seducer) so (natural = pua)

The gulf between PUA and natural is nonexistant. They are us and we are them! true?

I feel like maybe, when it comes down to it, you just need to act like a natural whether or not you think you actually are one.

yeah but after you act like something you become it

Natural - (n.) A person regarded as having an innate gift or talent for a particular task or activity.

It's true what you're saying even as a Natural you have to learn and change certain aspects of yourself. But once you do, it's a skill you have. The person you become is simply a better version of yourself.

The metaphor ill use is learning to play guitar vs. learning a song on guitar. When learning to play guitar at first your fingers move awkwardly and take forever to find the frets to press, then it become more natural feeling. Then you add to it and learn to strum. Then how to play simple songs and sing and so on... When learning a song once you already know how to play - you can learn the chords so much more easily even if its a new chord simply because you know how all the little things works, the fundamentals.

As a natural you're not starting scratch, you're utilizing all of your natural, attractive traits. However much comes to you naturally is your foundation which you build off of.

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value - effort = attraction
-Gambler

This is an error in thinking. Acting a certain way for such a long period of time that you become it will only make you fake, and women will see through it. You will end up losing yourself and whatever makes you, you. Even if you do end up getting women this way it will never be totally fulfilling because you know you're not getting them as yourself. You have lost yourself and this character has taken over.

Instead you stay yourself, develop inner game confidence in what and who you are, and learn attraction. Women like a man who is real.

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value - effort = attraction
-Gambler

It's a paradox because you need to assume you are enough, and that girls will like you for who you are at this present moment in time.

But then at the same time you do need to get a bunch of reference experiences which tell you that you are not quite there yet, so you know what you have to work on, because otherwise all you will get is the same results again and again...which might be mediocre compared to what you truly desire.

there is no real "naturals" so to speak. no one gets birthed into this world knowing how to pick up women. Most naturals you know is really just a result of nurture and typically have a way higher level of confidence than those who were raised without being taught about women.

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Thats what I'm saying! If you believe there are true naturals , then you probably believe there is a separation between yourself and them.Thats a limiting belief! What we are teaching in PUA is for you to emulate first and then become a natural. So there can be no true gap if you can become it.

A natural can be looked at a couple different ways. There are some guys that are really good looking and come from money or whatever. They will have it very easy when it comes to women. Whether they instinctively know how to game women, it doesn't matter. Because they'll have so many more opportunities to be around attractive women and the women will be drawn to them for their looks, status, and money. Eventually, they'll learn how women tick and perfect their craft.

Then you have naturals that may not be the best looking guys, nor come from money, but circumstance alone has allowed them to be successful with women. Like maybe they grew up with a fine-ass girl a couple years older than them who lives next door. She uses him to lose her virginity and now he's banged a hot chick when he's only 14. That's confidence that will stick with you for the rest of your life. But if your next door neighbor is an 86 y/o Jamaican woman, that is simply not possible.

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Sounds like personal experience