Ok so there's this girl who sits next to me in English class. And I can tell that she thinks I'm cute. She moves around a lot when she's next to me and starts conversations with me. How do I go for a number?

One way would be cut a conversation short "I've got to go, but lets talk about this later, whats your number?"

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The above one is the standard, and it works like a charm most of the time
But I like to use another one - "Hey, I need to run, but here's my number, and I'd like to get a cup of coffee with you sometime, so give me a call! "

There's two reasons why I use this one:
1. I don't get a phone full with numbers.. Those that I do get I actually want!
2. If she is as interested in you as you think, she will call you up, and she'll have to invest a lot more in you, than you have to in her!

-Alex

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Heywood gives out a lot of good advice on the forum, I'd stick with his advice on this one. It's short easy and sweet.


This is not the behavior of a confident man!

I love your thoughts, hearts in the right place but that is excuse my french "THE PUSSY WAY OUT." It's not something a confident person does, this is my issue with it right here.

If you are going to go this route go do what some natural PUAs I know do, go print out business cards with your name and number on them. Might as well then just start talking to women for 2 minutes conversations then say your line and hand out your business card. They do get girls but fuck that style, to me it is just like flyering for a concert, you'll get some hits but it shows NO SKILL.

I can give you tons of reason why this is a horrible behavior but the most basic of all of it is it shows ZERO CONFIDENCE. Confidence is the foundation of Natural Game, so start there.

Short list of Why it is horrible:

-How can you contact her if you don't have her number?
-Most women aren't accustomed to contacting a guy first.
-Most women will forget another cute face.
-You aren't that fucking special after a you're cute comment.
-Most women will not contact a man just because she thinks he's cute.
-Most women will not remember to contact you.
-Most women won't contact a guy who doesn't just have the confidence to ask for her number.

I'm sure there are tons more... but I don't think I need to add any.

You are trying to claim this is high value but it really is low value, you do realize you are making it so you are working around her schedule by putting the ball in her court. She'll call you when she is ready if ever.

You don't get a phone full of numbers? I don't know about you but I can't fill up the list of numbers in my phone, my phone fits more than I can handle. Honestly is it really bad to have a shit load of female phone numbers? If you are giving your phone number up at will to girls who think you are cute or you find cute then you really are just settling for women who will contact you not women that you actually want. You are settling for "if she likes me I like her", not "oh she is sexy, she'll be mine" which is getting the women you really want in reality. If you want them be confident and go after them, get their number and contact them.

I apologize if I came across as an asshole, it wasn't my intention. I am merely trying to discourage a bad behavior when it comes to women, I use to think like this, it is why I know it is a horrible game plan. I now have women give me their number and they text/call me first with regularity but it still isn't where I get the most "business" from it is from outgoing "sales" calls (more calls but less closes) not incoming "sales" calls(higher percentage closes but less calls).

If you are out canvassing by flyering your number to girls you can get an ongoing flood of numbers I suppose but it seems like it's easier just to get her number and gain game by practicing on multiple girls with different characteristics rather than mostly girls who "make the first move".

Peace and Love

Vic

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Sounds like she's giving you IOI's, which means number closing should be fairly easy. What you should do is talk to her after class, instead of trying to do it during class, which can be awkward. You can tell her that you are going to be doing something, like hanging out with friends at a bar/club/mall, and imply that you'd like for her to come hang with you. IMPLY it indirectly, but don't say, "You wanna come hang out with me?!" It will be obvious that you'll need each other's numbers if you are going to kick it outside of class, so you won't even need to ask for hers if you play it right.

I met a girl on a plane once and we hit it off. I knew that the interaction would lead to the exchanging of numbers, but it was a long flight and she wasn't going anywhere. There's was no need for me to lower my value by asking for her number, eventhough I wanted it and would need it in order to contact her again. Sure enough, mid way through the flight SHE asked for MY number.

You can either ask for her number, which lowers your social value. Or give her your number, which lowers your social value. Or you can set up a frame in which she'll be compelled to give you her number or ask for yours, which raises your social value. That's the best way to game a girl and number close in that type of scenario, imo.

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Hmm.. Firs off all, to the OP: Sorry for the long post below, and the intention is not to hijack the thread.


Vic, hard words, and no, I don't see it as you being an asshole! Instead I see it as me failing at communicating the idea properly.

Here's the essence behind that idea and that "line":

The idea is not to throw numbers at girls all day long hoping you will someone will call you (that is low value, and the "pussy way out".) Instead it's part of a bigger picture, and form what I can gather about the OP's girl, she falls under that particular instance where this line should work like a charm!

How, one might ask? Because there's a bit more interest than what's usually created when you meet a girl and talk to her for a couple of minutes - it's all about what kind of interaction you've had with the girl, or guy, before you start thinking about meeting up again.

Here's two examples:

(Setting: Nightclub, timeframe: 2-5 min)

Open set, talk a bit, focus in on one girl after the initial minute or two, and then #-close her.

(Setting: anywhere, timeframe: 10-? min)

You start talking to a girl, there's a bit more attraction than "normal" (you get a real good reaction to your game, so to speak), when you start thinking about maybe meeting the girl at another time and place, you also start wondering if she really wants to. Yes, you do feel that she does, but your not sure, and you don't know if she's gonna fluke - you give her your number ("Hmm.. Give me your phone, I think we should meet up sometime!"), most of the time the girl will somehow give you the number as well, and it's not good game to turn it down.


So, yes, this "routine" (it's really not a routine in that sense, it's just a way of thinking) will sometimes fail, and if you really really want the girl, go ahead and take her number. But, as it is in my case - I have enough female friends as it is, and I don't need yet another girls number in my phone, not if she's not interested in actually meeting me again. This way I'm putting the ball in her court, which, in my book, and by my experience gives me quite some value - I'm busy enough, and have enough friends that I can't be bothered with calling her. Or, rather, I'm confident that I'm interesting enough for her to contact me. (And yes, part of this is the way you give her your number, how you actually say it and your bodylanguage while you do it.)

Am I making more sense now? And am I still a retard?

Lastly - I love getting criticism, how am I supposed to evolve otherwise?! So keep it coming!

Peace, love, cake and butterflies

//Alex

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I apologize to the OP as well! Sorry sir.

I wasn't trying to make you feel like a retard, I'm very sorry if that was how it sounded. My deepest apologies for my poor tone sir. I do however appreciate your attitude sir, and applaud you being able to not take it so personally.

I understand the angle I've been there, my pick up is even longer than 30 minutes with regularity but that still doesn't change the rules of courtship. I don't believe in the 2-5 minute number close, it rarely turns into much. My process is to become attractive, connect, and build sexual tension. Which is longer than a 2-5 minute number close, when collecting a number your success once you get it relies immensely on what you did before you got her number. You want a link.

A woman rarely contacts first even if you create a great connection. It is one of my many talents, because I read people so well they feel the connection easier, I just understand them like no other guy by reading their body language ('tis my specialty and what I'm known for on the forum).

I still feel this isn't the route to go. I'll explain the life of an extremely attractive women right here.

She goes out runs into likely more than 10 guys who hit on her, 1-2 or more even may get her number. A few with little to no confidence give them their number. She walks to the grocery store guys try and pick up on her, sometimes here and there it happens. She goes anywhere and gets hit on, some guys good enough to slip in and collect her number.

Through out the day/week she gets guys calling/texting her to hang out. She has her life plus 3-4 guys texting/calling her at any given time trying to dig her out. Some girls even have more texting/calling them. This is the life of hot female women, I've had several very attractive close female friends. While kicking it with them they are constantly getting texts, guys hitting them up trying to kick it. Any time I kick it with an attractive woman I know she is getting texts from other guys trying to get her, that is just being realistic.

Now, at what point while she is going to school, work, and/or socializing is she going to think of that guy she had a conversation with and start texting/calling him? She's already got plenty of bachelors who earned her number at her disposal. It's an unrealistic thought to rely on. It's better to take things into your own control and collect her number.

If any woman is going to contact you she is definitely going to give you her number. A girl you give your number to will sometimes call but likely has other guys after her, in her shoes why apply yourself to going after a guy when you already have so many coming after you? People tend to take the easy route, not the difficult route of risking rejection. Most women who give you their number will respond but won't always text first in fact Most won't. Your likelihood of gaining contact with her increases immensely when you have the ability to contact her rather than merely hope she contacts you.

I see the angle, I know the angle, I've used the angle, and I'm merely pointing out there are better angles that are more proactive and get better overall results. Your turnover rate EDIT: decreases as you gain text game and understand getting meet ups but you will certainly burn a few numbers with poor phone/text game.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Damn you, sir. Damn you!

You make a good point, and seems our game is pretty close in the end (I'm not on your level, not yet, but in essence it's the same.)

Hmm.. Seems I have some research to do! While I see the validity of your argument, and can actually agree with you (Take that, stereotypical internet assholes!) I still feel like I get something from using that one.. Though, I can confess that it might just be me being scared of getting the rejection when/if I'm the one calling up for a day 2.

Oh, and regarding the tone you used in the first one: Don't worry about it mate, I'm new here, and I have a tendency to say things in a way that sounds.. well.. like I know everything. (Confidence = good, believing your god = better, speaking like you know everything = bad.)

So, to sum it up: I'm with all probability wrong (yes, I'm wrong ), now I just need to use the proper one!

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