i was always a shy/lazy person so i never ever interacted with a girl properly before pua. never asked a girl out and never had a girl ever show intrest in me.

Just out of curiosity how did u guys personally get girlfriends and sex before u started PUA. i mean how do normal people get girlfriends without all this talk of routines,openers,dhv'ing and all this other technical crap.

im only asking because i never had a gf hence idk what the normal non-pua protocol is. Cheers

There is a difference between never noticing a woman being interested in you and never having a girl interested in you. You may have never realized it but that doesn't mean you never had a shot at a girl out there. I'd also have to mention that it has nothing to do with laziness, don't bring that up, don't lie to us or yourself it does you no good. It was you being shy or anxious around them.

I have never had a gf, I have slept with quite a few women. I am not against relationships just haven't found one I could see myself with long term.

Before PUA I got lucky. When a girl was interested she did most of the effort because of my lack of confidence. WOMEN ALWAYS MAKE THE FIRST MOVE, so when it comes down to most of us just had the women show signs and we reciprocated.

Peace and Love

Vic

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by normal protocol.....

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A friend of mine introduced pickup to me 3 years ago when I was 15! (He is now a die-hard christian and despises pickup, kinda like what happened to Dustin in The Game. LMAo!)

BEFORE PICKUP

I wasn't lonely and depressed before pickup but there was always lots of room for improvement...

I had a few relationships and had lost my virginity before reading The Game but something was missing...

To start a relationship I would wait for a girl to approach me which was hard enough since I was no Zac Efron but I dressed well and was not afraid of peacoking (I didn't know what it was back then though, I was just the dude with a purple watch and Pink sneakers)

After a girl approached me I would show off like crazy, talking a whole lot and compliment her like crazy. I had no sure way of telling whetther she liked me or not but I would sometimes take the chance and try to kiss her if I had the guts or the alcohol level to do so.

I NEVER APPROACHED! When I tried to I would stutter and crash and burn!

Getting sex was a string of negotiations and begging... Sometimes on my knees!

I was never a leader and would be obsessed with a girl after the first kiss...

I got a blowjob only once after I found out that my LTR girl was cheating on me with someone else... She came to my grans house at 2 o'clock in the morning to apologise and we ended up having sex. I got my first blowjob out of her guilt... DAMN

Fuck, typing this out brings back bitter memories so all I'm saying is this: Before PUA, shit was bad!

AFTER DISCOVERING PICK-UP

I was in control of my relationships

I found how to tell when a girl was interested in me and I stopped dating HB4-6s and I'm now in a LTR with a HB8.5

I learnt the wonderful art of negging which allowed me to intrigue and get some hot girls.

I still get blowjobs only difference is that I now demand them, they are not optional! My girlfriend even initiates them now.

I still have a long way to go but judging by where I came from I am mighty glad that I found out about Pickup.

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Thanks for the fun read Clive! You made me laugh a few times xD

Keep up improving!

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As they say "there is no such thing as a stupid question"

You are asking the perfect question here really.

In analyzing any problem of any complex nature the first thing to ask is "what is the thing about this problem that isn't following logic? Is it me, is it some logistic?"

The answer is what you just described. The answer is that the illogical piece of the puzzle is doing pick up at all.

Naturally people within social circles or work, flirt very subtle back and forth until accidentally isolated together somehow and then one of them makes a sexual move.

This is why people only have what (I dont know current average numbers, probably even less than the last I seen people have become so socially crippled these days) 5-10 sex partners. In their WHOLE LIFE! Its fucking bizarre.

But hey I and seemingly you didn't get any in a past life or 2 or something because we don't think logically in the first step of the equation, which is thinking its ok for it to "just happen" and we only get to sample 5 or 10 chicks goodies.

We wanna fuck hundreds of chicks, and don't have the money to pay to do it, so we become PUA. That is where the illogical and weird step comes in, and why we have to learn all this shit. But hey it's a funner hobby than ping pong with a lot cooler "victory" reward. And a lot cheaper than whores.

By my math I have saved about 30-50 thousand dollars by being a pua instead of a whore monger, and only had to fight a pimp with a hammer in a motel room to the death half the times I would have had to in dealing with escorts on a regular basis!

Gun

for me relationships were dull and boring. i always got some ok, medeocre girl and we just talked about normal stuff. we still had fun hanging out and stuff. i never lost my verginity before pua. ive actually never been any good at talking to women before pua other men are naturally alpha, and high value, and do not need pua advice.