You know, I'm pretty confident around women. I feel like I actually understand them pretty good, at least when I get to know them. And they usually develop strong feelings for me, which is not always a good thing.

Anyway, I don't think I understand guys at all. I don't know why anyone would play sports and it's just not in my nature to look tough or competitive.

It's like I"ve been so focused on the idea of seduction I kind of abandoned guy friends altogether, which is a shame because having a good community of guy friends always seems to work in my favor when I'm at the club. Like, things just happen when I'm with some other guys and I don't even need to do anything. But I could hit on girls all night as a lone-wolf and not get any takers, screw whatever lines I use.

Ok, so how do I kind of go to a club and fall in with a group of good looking/cool guys to kind of use as a basecamp?

I impressed this one guy at the club with my pickup skills and got his number but the next time we met up at the club he was kind of an asshole and introduced me to this fat mess of a chick so I cut him off. I did have girls dragging me out into the dancefloor that night though.

if you're having success with chicks, then any guy will be impressed and making friends should be easy. just tell a guy to wing you on a set and then build from there.

EDIT: however, my warning is this: making guy friends to HELP PICK UP GIRLS is a bad bad idea. Because it doesn't/won't work. Guy's mostly hang out with fun guys that they want to chill with. Maybe if you take him under your wing and start mentoring him, but no guy's going to hang out with you if you're not fun to be around.

So what you're basically saying is I have to be fun to be around and then I'll have guy friends. I'm not even going to get in to what has to go on for that to happen. Out of scope!


Here's the thing, I kind of fuck it up when I'm trying too hard to get girls. Its the epic paradox of shit that we want to happen only happening when we don't try.

I don't know. I went with my cool guy friend to a club and within five minutes I'm making out with a hot blonde but there was no game there, just, "hey....nomnomnom"

Hell, even when I went to Vegas with my Dad to a club I made out with a hot blonde chick, then got away from her bc she was too drunk and could've f-closed this smoking latina chick...except I was with my dad.

Club is kind of weird, sometimes I'm hot and sometimes I'm not.

thing is I'll go by myself and get nothing. Like, be a total reject!

So I need the guys to get the girls...