Gents.. Guys.. Lads.. Bros.

I haven't posted onto this forum for a while now - I've been focusing of what a lot of you call "Natural Game". This is not just reading books and doing a bit of soul searching alone - Natural Game, for the most part - should just be called: "Life".

After getting into PUA, It has subconsciously effected every single part of my life. Every Single Bit.

I'm going by a comparison of how I was 2 years ago - an intelligent (I'm still pretty switched on) metal head, wearing mostly black - over sized clothes and resenting most people because I couldn't understand how some guys with nothing going for them still had success with girls and were on some level "Happy".

Now, since starting with the community - I've noticed PUA has pretty much seeped into all of my life. I run techniques / routines on my colleagues at work; on the street, people I just meet - and most importantly - at bars and clubs.

Over the last year and a half, I've had my ups and downs with ONS and GFs, but always I've felt I could get that Golden Girl. The one that got away and all that....

BUT THE ONE THING - THE ONE SIMPLE THING ABOVE ALL ELSE I'VE LEARNED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS IS:

Go to the damn GYM!

It all clicked about 6 months ago when I was looking for a SPAM.. and I met him a while ago, he would eventually turn out to be one of my best buddies.. but he is a total meat-head. Fist pumping. Protein Shake drinking. Bench press busting Meat Head.

I met him through a friend who also does PUA; however, my SPAM doesn't use any of it's techniques, they just come naturally because of the way he looks.. If you've ever seen him on a night out - he literally has to turn away women.. like I've actually heard him complain about how he can't go out with his guy friends and not get hit on by women.. (I was like.. WTF?!).. a week ago, the night was ending and this girl actually came up to us three lads, and asked my SPAM if he's DTF..

In a world where we are exposed to people like Snooki, Ron and "The Situation" (PUA Name!!?!?) and the rest of Jersey Shore / Geordie Shore (for the Brits) - where it seems having an IQ significantly lower than it should be and a washboard set of Abs qualifies you for stardom.

...That shit makes me sick.

BUT, There is a saving grace. YOU WILL NEVER BEAT THE MTV SPOON-FED TRENDS, NEVER NEVER NEVERNENVNENRNENEVVVVEEERRRRR! BEAT IT..

So what do you do when you can't beat it?.. That's right - Join it.

Go to the gym, buy some protein shakes, get yourself some big arms, a good set of abs, toned all over. JUST DO IT!
Get some fake tan (just a little bit - it looks healthier than dead pale) and for gods sake, get some out there clothes.. Not the shirt and jeans combo, and a dumb hat..

Shirts that are tight - that show off your massive arms and shoulders: rhinestones!! jeans that your mum didn't pick for you - get some threads with "Swagger" (whatever that is.....)

But you get me right!?.. Gunwitch has it right - just because you're looking for the HB11 - you and the rest of the world. Has no one clocked onto the fact that GIRLS LOOK FOR THE SAME THING!!!

YOU HAVE TO BE THE BEST YOU CAN BE.. BE THE (H)ot(B)ro:11

Sorry, got a little carried away there..


Summary:
- Identifying the faults with yourself from your past is very important, it makes you realize progress
- No matter how much Game you now, not going out and doing it will not get you anywhere.
- You don't learn Game overnight.. it takes ages until it really sinks in.
- If you REALLY want the GIRL of YOUR DREAMS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK LIKE THE GUY IN HER DREAMS...
- You can easily look like Mr Right (Weather that is just Mr Right-Now.. or Mr Right-for-the-rest-of-my-life)

..... Just go to the gym, work-out and hour each day, and Improve your life.....

Not just for me, Not just the girls.. but do it for yourself.

(the real, original)
_Illusionist_

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"They were right when they said "just be yourself" they just never told you what "self" to be.." - Gunwitch

agreed hate all this looks don't matter propaganda, looks certainly do matter, I have seen it first hand, and I have experienced it for myself, not saying you ''have to be good looking'' not everyone is shallow, but having a cut fit body and cute face with the ability to walk up to girls and tell them you think they are cute and touch them on the shoulder will get you alot more lays then learning MM as a morbidly obese ugly guy

@Pumpington: Yea totally.. I'd never speak badly about the community and I'm always more than welcome to help others with their issues; but I despise the whole "You can be ugly as shit and still get hot girls" propaganda.. It's a way that guys like Ross J get guys like us to pay a hell of a lot of money for these "workshops" and seminars..

It actually makes me sad sometimes.. I had a guy just starting PUA message me on the Chat a while back. He had this huge fear of leaving his flat and doing anything.. paranoid of the world, and petrified of talking to girls..
I tried to explain to him my concept of getting rid of anxiety, he seemed to see it logically that it would be good for him.. but too afraid to do it.

But anyway - more to the point.. this guy who wouldn't leave his house started talking about a Bootcamp.. cost $2000 for 3/4 days with a "guru".. How would a guy who can barely function in society take a loan for 2 grand and potentially screw his life up in debt..

You have to learn to crawl before you can walk.. only then can you stand a chance to run..

I'd rather spend a bit of cash to buy new clothes, a gym membership and a big mirror so I can really be vain.. Like Pauly D from the J-Shore once said..

"You gotta make yourself so good looking you wanna hook up with yourself!"

What a fool.. but one some level, he's right.

..and paying 2K for a guy wearing a feather boa to teach you about saying "hello" to girls just isn't right...

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"They were right when they said "just be yourself" they just never told you what "self" to be.." - Gunwitch

I don't want massive arms...and I know that game doesn't require you to look like a Jersey Shore character.

what the fuck is that? seriously. if all this effort is needed for you to like yourself, go for it. otherise its not neccesary. its of course good for you to work out and eat healthy, but this has nothing to do with attracting women. you have to like yourself and the way you are. if you are happy with yourself and you like yourself, then this is attractive.

I do totally understand that you don't have to look like a moron from Jersey Shore to attract women.. in fact, it would probably drive most women away if you did..

However, the fact still remains - to fully unleash your potential as successful person, you do have to take pride in your own appearance. Both Inner and Outer. People who have glowing personalities and golden attitudes towards life will find it difficult if they do not look after themselves physically (this covers a broad spectrum - weather it be fashion, fitness or health).

It's a tough pill to swallow - but looks most certainly do matter, despite whatever PUA guru can try and sell to you.
Leading a healthy lifestyle physically and mentally should be the first steps taken before you start reading heavily into Pick-up.. if you have a good foundation of discipline to grow from - you'll be successful in all endeavors..

That's fair enough right?

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"They were right when they said "just be yourself" they just never told you what "self" to be.." - Gunwitch

i agree that every guy should start on his own with no boot camp shit i feel like its just a waste, and also that it only helps if you capitalize on your natural resources like your looks, body type, etc. however i think personality is totally key shit with women just look at mehow, he looks and sounds like a douchey nerd yet hes a total player, a really famous player along with good looking guys like adam lyons n shit...so...?

that is what style says in one of his books, to make the gym your obsession! But you do not have to look like a roid head either... Basically this is the principal, tall,dark and handsome...

here are top 10 best bodies, my body is like Daniel Craig:

http://www.alltopmovies.net/male-body-hollywood/

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With that being said i seen over and over and over again hot women with average/ugly guys, more than i have see good looking/hot guys with hot women... So the mpuas may have a point.

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Look, I've been in great shape for a long time. I'd say my game has really only developed in the last two years. The social skills I've developed by studying this stuff and understanding female psychology is far better than the six-pack abs and a thick chest I've had for a long time. Take it from a guy that was buff first, then discovered game. Game beats out hot body any day. Yes, both certainly help. It's probably easier for me to get girls to give me their attention at first contact than a lot of guys in this forum, but it's really the high level of game that will get you any where with beautiful women.

Bottom line, take care of your health; but also practice pick up every chance you get.

I'm not buff personally but I am what many women consider good looking.
My game is usually either really really on or really really off. My looks are consistent. I can tell you, when things are going bad, my looks are not doing the job for me. Nor are they when things are going good. I'm good looking, but there are plenty of guys better looking and often on a good night I'm doing better.

Looks and game help each other out yes, but in my opinion I'll add to the voices saying that looks alone are not everything.

true but at the same time, game alone is not everything either, i have seen both sides of the specrum though, i have seen a guy that was hideous date and get laid by a decent hb7 and it was purely on personality, and i have seen another extremely goodlooking guy time and time again consistantly just have girls thrown at him with no game and no personality just gets straight hit on by girls, the way you look can make or break you for almost every woman, not only do you need game, you need the looks, if you are not a girls physical type, and she thinks you have bad style/grooming it is a dealbreaker, there is a line of fuckable, once you are past that line, all that matters is game, but being below that line, you can have all the game in the world, and it will not matter, but every girl is different, they all have different reasons for sleeping with guys and different lines of physically acceptable, girls are naturally more finnicy and selective of sexual partners, be the best you can be in all areas, don't neglect anything, your finances, your lifestyle, your fashion, your grooming, your fitness, your appearance, your discipline, your drive, your ambition

go out every day, if you are not approaching at least 5 new girls a day you most likely do not have abundance, it is easy to read a bunch of books on how to act like you have abundance, and then there is actually going out excersiseing your pua muscles and maintaining abundance, get numbers go on dates, try to seduce, do everything you can at all times

I agree completely about the line of Fuckable and I'm so glad to see someone put that into words.
You need both, plain and simple. But nearly anyone can get over that line with good grooming, body language, and clothing. Like you said that line is different for every girl. Someone who is not traditionally good looking, with a bit of work, can cross that line for some girl out there, and likely many.

Building an attractive and balanced lifestyle is key. Becoming a whole human being helps too. Good post man

I totally agree bro...Fitness/nutrition (aka bodybuilding - drug free of course) are among the most important aspects to all around well being and game. I've worked my way up to building a killer physique and after dropping enough bodyfat and doing enough cardio, building up the abs. Did some decent fashion design (giving chics that are interested in me yet another reason to come up and talk to me) and I do light tanning and on my last trip tossed a light layer of spray on top of that. The result? Females that match: killer bodies, fashion sense...eg HBs. Game can help you pull HBs...but hell of a lot easier if your looks match. (oh and makes it way easier to deal with obstacles lol)