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You gotta be kidding me! TYLER???? o.O Have your read the game? lolz

For me it's:
I agree with Grape and gonna say Mystery, it's the same thing if you take a great natural and study him and write down and replicate everything he says, you going to have that "guy's method".

And of course after him Adam Lyons , Gambler, etc, they are all great naturals but they all started with scripted stuff, they just modified them for their own personality (read up their PUA Diaries)

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Yes, I have read the game. You know, I'm far from an RSD "fan boy" but damn, it sucks the amount of hate they get because of that piece of shit book, "The Game."

RSD, Tyler included, is entirely different than the RSD from "The Game." To be honest, their probably one of the best companies around and their product "Blueprint Decoded" is THE best product in the community.

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Yes, I have read the game. You know, I'm far from an RSD "fan boy" but damn, it sucks the amount of hate they get because of that piece of shit book, "The Game."

RSD, Tyler included, is entirely different than the RSD from "The Game." To be honest, their probably one of the best companies around and their product "Blueprint Decoded" is THE best product in the community.
Maybe that's true, I'm not going to say anything because I have never read or studied his material after reading what Neil wrote about him...

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Swinggcat advertises natural game, but how the hell is he actually natural? He's hardcore Speed Seduction.

The best natural guru hands down is Zan Perrion. Vin DiCarlo next.
I don't know if swingcat is a natural, but his material IMO that I have read is very natural based. The whole "prizing" belief system he details I think is the very key to naturals, as well as the push pull teasing their main tactics in their tool box. I know he started under Ross Jeffieres but I think those are the contributions he is really known for in the community. Deangelo also started under Jefferies BTW. Most PUA's from that era did I think, even Gunwitch who's game is as far from that as you can get now.

If the natural material I have read I think if you combine Swingcats info with RSD Tim's attitude you are well on your way to understanding what naturals are made of.I've not been impressed with any of the material I have seen from Zan. Perhaps you could suggest something that I might be missing. My impression is the guy gets by on his looks as much as anything.
I know that Swinggcat is credited with tension loops and idea of "being the prize," but I think that's a different animal from how the community sees natural game nowadays. Modeling a natural's behavior isn't the same thing as learning to do natural game. Everyone (no exceptions) teaches some form of behavior modeling, which is precisely what today's natural game trend tries to steer away from.

I found Swinggcat's "Natural Vibing" program to be very heavy with Speed Seduction concepts and techniques. Natural Vibing: http://www.realworldseduction.com/vibing

It's good, but technically speaking I thought it was too formulaic to be considered "natural game" teachings.

Zan's "Way of the Natural" DVD series is fucking great and it's as "natural" as you can get. I highly recommend it: http://www.zanperrion.com/dvds.php

It's more natural because, IMO, it deals more with developing attributes from within rather than modeling behavior in order to "fake it til you make it" as Mystery preaches.
In Track 10 of Disc 1 of Sexual Connections, Swinggcat says "I'm gonna give you the knowledge base to turn you from an average guy into a natural.".
This doesn't mean his a natural, but his concepts sure can apply to natural game IMHO.

But I think Chief is right. After I studied some SS, I understand Swinggcat's stuff better. I never really noticed his roots on SS before.


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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Juggler or Stephen Nash yet.

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neil strauss for me

he has it down!!


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neil strauss for me

he has it down!!
Oh, I get it...its a joke. Thats funny, I thought you was serious for a second.

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Definietely Adam Lyons


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I dont suppose we could throw around Hypnotica's name?

He sees hypnosis not as canned routines, but as a true connection with the girl,
making him a natural

Natural or not, he is bar-none my favorite PUA

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Yes, I have read the game. You know, I'm far from an RSD "fan boy" but damn, it sucks the amount of hate they get because of that piece of shit book, "The Game."

RSD, Tyler included, is entirely different than the RSD from "The Game." To be honest, their probably one of the best companies around and their product "Blueprint Decoded" is THE best product in the community.
Maybe that's true, I'm not going to say anything because I have never read or studied his material after reading what Neil wrote about him...

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TD's Blurprint Decoded was a revolutionary piece of work, and, yes, it is the best PUA product as of this date. If you haven't looked into it then you are behind.


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Blueprint Decoded IS amazing. I have a hard time even classifying it as a PUA product, because it's so much more. It's about you.

Inner Game > Outer Game

It's a must have for all people in my opinion.


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So we are talking Naturals?

Ok, so far, most of you have mentioned "name" puas, and that is fair enough. However, how many of you have actually seen them in action, in the flesh? Im talking seeing them "live and unedited", not on the net or from secondhand stories? Or from books? Im not saying you have to see them live in order for you to have a valid opinion, as some of the puas you mentioned, are indeed worth mentioning....

Having been around the game for a while, and have read, studied, and seen the top puas in action, both live and on the net, as well as hearing stories about them, I cant help but mention one guy.....

James from Charisma Arts. WHO? Who the f**k is he, you might ask.

I'll make it easy for you, check out jamessocialcoach.com or the Charisma Arts Forum section.

This Australian instructor is hands down the best natural pua i have ever seen, period. But dont take my word for it....check out the reviews...of satisfied students...all...over...the...world.

But it's not just his game that impressed me....its the way he lives his life. A lifestyle mastery, f**k, this motherf**ker really lives "the life"!

Check this out....

He was a kick ass financial adviser who traveled to over ninety countries in six years and then became a social coach.

In fact, i like to call him more of a Lifestyle Coach.

A body count of too many p*****s to count....he’s done it all, including the hottest girls from so many different countries, threesomes, beauty pageant winners, professional models (he’s lived with them) and the most f**ked up kinky shit you’ve ever seen or heard.

Sceptical? Check out his cameras and videos. Enough said.

When i looked at them, i thought to myself "F**k learning magic"!

And then there's this little thing....SEX! This motherf**ker knows a thing or two about sex! And im not talking about just sex, im talking about SEX! There is a big difference......

BUT none of the above matters.....if he can't impart his knowledge to others. AND that is the BEST part about James....He is a masterful teacher.

I have had many teachers in life....and James is right up there with them. To this day, we still keep in touch.

No, i dont work for James, but if you doubt my words, do yourself a favor and check this man out.

Bye for now, stay cool and fly high, see you out there,

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Adam Lyons definately.

I like how there is no step to step structure with what he teaches, I like how he encourages everyone to primarily present their personality in a total non social robotic way. I learned MM's first for 3 months and using the same lines and negs over and over again got boring. By being confident in my personality and dress sense I was able to attract a girl yesterday at bowling INFRONT OF HER BOYFRIEND.. now we're meeting up tonight :twisted:

Hopefully she'll reconsider her boyfriend :wink:

Thanks AFCadam

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So we are talking Naturals?

Ok, so far, most of you have mentioned "name" puas, and that is fair enough. However, how many of you have actually seen them in action, in the flesh? Im talking seeing them "live and unedited", not on the net or from secondhand stories? Or from books? Im not saying you have to see them live in order for you to have a valid opinion, as some of the puas you mentioned, are indeed worth mentioning....

Having been around the game for a while, and have read, studied, and seen the top puas in action, both live and on the net, as well as hearing stories about them, I cant help but mention one guy.....

James from Charisma Arts. WHO? Who the f**k is he, you might ask.

I'll make it easy for you, check out jamessocialcoach.com or the Charisma Arts Forum section.

This Australian instructor is hands down the best natural pua i have ever seen, period. But dont take my word for it....check out the reviews...of satisfied students...all...over...the...world.

But it's not just his game that impressed me....its the way he lives his life. A lifestyle mastery, f**k, this motherf**ker really lives "the life"!

Check this out....

He was a kick ass financial adviser who traveled to over ninety countries in six years and then became a social coach.

In fact, i like to call him more of a Lifestyle Coach.

A body count of too many p*****s to count....he’s done it all, including the hottest girls from so many different countries, threesomes, beauty pageant winners, professional models (he’s lived with them) and the most f**ked up kinky shit you’ve ever seen or heard.

Sceptical? Check out his cameras and videos. Enough said.

When i looked at them, i thought to myself "F**k learning magic"!

And then there's this little thing....SEX! This motherf**ker knows a thing or two about sex! And im not talking about just sex, im talking about SEX! There is a big difference......

BUT none of the above matters.....if he can't impart his knowledge to others. AND that is the BEST part about James....He is a masterful teacher.

I have had many teachers in life....and James is right up there with them. To this day, we still keep in touch.

No, i dont work for James, but if you doubt my words, do yourself a favor and check this man out.

Bye for now, stay cool and fly high, see you out there,

Sniper
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I def give it to TYLER of RSD blueprint for taking the extra step of giving you a every possible discrepency you can have with being natural. i was hesistant to watch it cuz i read the game and thought " what an immature douche" but he's rectified himself in a big way.

He goes down to talking every detail with any concept he talks about and he goes wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond mac ing a girl. It border lines a guide for living and a quite functional one.

He even addresses his old own shortcoming and flaws in mentality. How many Gurus will say "yea i was wrong." lol

His material dragged on but you know what i had not a single question

He has to be the best cuz he shows you how to be natural and efficient as a human being including pick up.

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