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i agree 100% as well. ive always ran natural game but used ideas from other sources: books & forums to enhance ideas in all areas: txt game responses, clever responses that are not a stretch for my personality, ideas to talk about, etc.

but never scripted routines or steps that have to be followed...you gotta be yourself cause these chicks know a fake when they see one.


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Totally agree with this,

I work in sales for a highly successful investment bank and have over the course of the last year become a top producing banker for the firm. The reason for this? I ditched the lame salesy scripts that they teach you and just started having conversations with customers. Once people see that you are an individual the sale is pretty much closed.

Now I don't think of myself as a PUA or an AFC. My best successes with women have come when I haven't really even tried to get them or game them. Plus my personality and relationship style does not lend me to the idea of one-night-stands. Therefore traditional canned lines and gaming don't seem to create a communication level between the two parties. I honestly think only dumb/desperate girls fall for basic canned game.

AFCAdam has developed some of the best natural game out there and has soemthing to the effect of 'if you are an asshole be and asshole, if you are geeky be a geek, im the biggest nerd on earth!"


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I believe that using routines does not disqualify you from the realm of 'true naturals', it is CANNED routines that makes the difference.

We all have interesting stories about ourselves and our lives which we will tell to new friends we make, including women that we meet....these stories are nothing more than routines...the only difference is that they come from YOU, they are you own life experiences. These stories (and even witty jokes/lines that you enjoy) resemble you to the very core and display your true personality.

Therefore, telling the same great story every single night to a different group of girls each time, does not make me unnatural. (if the topic comes up and the story naturally flows of course).

Also, as many great speakers will tell you, there IS an art to story telling and being able to intimately convey an experience to someone that you are interacting with, and there is nothing unnatural about becoming good at this.


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Natural Game FULLY EXPLAINED.

Natural Game is the highest form of individual expression. Interacting with random strangers is our only chance to get real world, unadulterated feedback on who we REALLY are!

Natural Game with structure is NOT natural game. The moment anyone starts putting a structure around it makes it lost because there is no set way to take a man from A-Z in pick-up. Every guy in the seduction community can't be tarred with the same brush.

No.1 rule: No structure + No agenda

Remember if all male/female interactions emanate from this perspective, you can instantly disarm even the most intimidating beautiful woman.

Natural Game is the reality behind the appearance. It is about establishing an unspoken connection with her. A man to woman bond. heart to heart and beyond words is essential. You cannot do this with routines. Know that what exists within you is boundary less. It is being both in the moment, and on your path, willing to let her come with you along the way.

Becoming a Natural means we can say:

1. I follow my natural instinctual urges.
2. I have locked all underlying natural insinuations through firsthand experience.
3. I have supplanted deep inner natural presuppositions and behaviour.
4. I have a naturally flirtatious personality.


How is this done?

1. Understanding that the words and frame are massively less important than the sub communications you project.
2. Through ensuring that there is no difference between your ‘core’ persona and your ‘pickup’ persona.
3. By putting your real personality on the line.


The 3 LEVELS:

On a narrow definition there are broadly 3 levels of game: (credit to Sebastian)

Level 1: The ‘What do I say’ Level.
People at this stage worry about the specifics of what they are actually saying and want to know how to ‘talk up’ their game using routines or crutches. What they don’t realise is that it doesn’t matter what you say, women only respond to how you make them FEEL. This is the absolute amateur level.

Level 2: The Frame Level.
What has changed is how you frame your interactions with women, you become aware that the frame you adopt can change the meaning of what you say and so going forward you try using some. Therefore less time is spent paying attention to your own words but rather the meaning behind them.

Level 3: The Sub Communication Level.
You realise that the words and the frame are much less important than your sub communications which are basically driven by the state which you experience and project. You become aware that women do not respond to what you say but how you make them FEEL. You start throwing away everything you know, just say 'Hello' and celebrate everything that excites you about them. It means a complete devotion to something that is infinitely larger than yourself or anything around you. When you are at level 3, set’s just smashed open; you will be able to spark interest from wherever you are by just turning up to places, and all the other guys around you are scratching their heads wondering how the hell you’re doing it without any obvious strategy. They will then go to the forums and post about you that they are getting crap advice to just go ahead and say 'hello, my name is X' because they don't understand it yet.

Core Persona vs. Pick up Persona
If you’re running out of things to say, it is because you are trying to sub-consciously match up to some girl ‘you’ve just met 5 minutes ago’ standards, rather than impose your own. This is the basic problem of relying on routines to a girl, because she can tell on some level you feel the need to impress her. The when you run out of ‘material’, after a few minutes, the gap will be felt between your CORE persona and your PICK UP persona, and this isn’t attractive.
Hint: There is no difference between gaming and not gaming - sarging and not sarging. This is True Natural Game.

Despite PUA perception, women can never truly be fooled. They have something that men don't and never will -- a strong sense of intuition. The minute you disrespect that about a woman, you're finished.

Put your Real Personality on the line.
Natural Game can be developed by putting your real personality on the Line. This fortitude is something you build through exposing your real personality and allowing your real personality to be rejected, constantly - until you reach the "Indifference Threshold”. I advised back in the day to escalate as much as was necessary until all fear and shame was destroyed. Once you reach that indifference threshold, your sub communication will take care of everything.

There is a train of thought which goes like this:

Community Guy 1
This guy is the sort of guy who goes up to a female assistant in a clothes shop and says "I'm looking for a jacket” and she looks at him like he is a freak but she is polite anyway, but she talks to him in a way that makes him want to leave the shop. There are certainly plenty guys in the community who are at this stage.

Going up to some girl and saying "Hi, I'm X, how are you doing?" in a nervous and expecting a negative response way is not going to do anything other than reinforce the previous poor experiences. They need to get used to getting a *positive* reaction from girls, to develop core confidence. However, by putting the real personality on the line, over time, they can get used to getting positive experiences and build their subcommunications up to a point where they become:

Community Guy 2
You've been in the community for a while and are well calibrated and socially savvy. You have very few limiting beliefs and are generally walking through the world with ease. You are used to getting good reactions and sparking interest in any social situation. You go into a clothes shop and say "I'm looking for a jacket" and the shop assistant's reaction towards you is very friendly (because of your great calibration, vibe and energy) and she is glad you walked through that door and into her life.

The Routine versus Natural Game Debate:
In my best assessment, people who believe they fundamentally lack something and need to compensate with 'material' or ‘lines’ will not find understanding natural game easy at all. This is a skill set that requires a lot of pain and effort to learn. If you won’t go through the pain in the first place you will get nowhere.

Routines/Canned game generally operate under the presupposition that the girl has higher value than you, so you need to raise your value and lower hers in order to get the girl. Girls detect these pre-meditated approaches a mile away. Natural Game presupposes you have the higher value so trying to alter the value dynamic isn't really relevant.

The head shouldn’t be full of 'what technique shall I roll out next' rather than full of the experience of the current moment. In other words, there should be no calculation, no strategising, and no expression of something that has been pre-rehearsed. Being present and in the moment is key. Do it. No personality shells. No situational based confidence. No crutches.

It's also the mindset...
‘So they talk to me, I have to body rock so I don't look too interested’
‘So she feels like she knows me for longer, I should do some future projections’
‘I hear that girls like to talk about this topic, so that's what I'm going to do, even though I find it boring’
‘I have to disqualify myself and make her qualify herself to me’
Fuck all of this. This is not natural game.

Don’t waste any time to destroy any naturally flirtatious personality you may have in order to make superficial friendships with people doing the above.

Conclusion:
When guys first get into pick-up (as a result of the hype, I'm sure) they expect mind blowing results immediately and consistently - and few of these experiences are forthcoming. If you are using canned material to fill a gap, ask yourself why you are not filling it with something that actually matters to you. What is it exactly that you are afraid of expressing? Why can you not put your real personality on the line?

Students come into the game from months of internet-based study or practice only to find the routine models they have memorised are no match for the sheer diversity of situations arising in the real world. Their understanding of Game at this level shows a naive move with little foresight which doesn’t define longevity. Promises of the silver bullet, the pick-up artist who can get any girl remain elusively distant.

Good news, if you are willing to take a hit in skill and change in mind set, change is possible and you will enjoy spontaneous, unscripted interactions. Through experience, observation, honesty, and insight, natural habits (both verbal and non-verbal) can be built gradually over time. You may run into brick wall after brick wall before getting any real results but anyone with courage, conviction and drive to succeed will do it in no time!

I have shown you this is nice because you can just relax when you get girls without feeling you constantly have to 'perform'. Put the pick-up lines in a cage and don’t feed them. It is better to have natural game full of holes than not attempting any of this at all. Let the passion build naturally. DO NOT force it. Find your own rhythm. Create your own method and style based purely on in-field references. If you can so this you will be rockin’ the PU community next to none. The value you will start getting out of this way of life will be fucking quadrupling. Party times await. Never give up, never surrender. Nobody else will give you anything in this world.

Don’t be a Seminar Junkie / Keyboard Jockey

Michael
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NEW YORK CITY
www.the-edge-michael.blogspot.com

Just Awsome. Natural way is the way.

I dont relly on canned stuff, even if I have a couple to get me out of some situation, but my canned stuff is built from my own experience, not from a seminar or a program.

I sit down in the bus. I dont say a word, i mind My own business and girls are comming in my proximity, and all i'm doing is being my self. I hate to sound like a guy that get'S lots of attention from woman, But sometime's ( rarely- once or twice a month), I have to push some girl away because they invade my space, and they are seeking my attention or they want to engage a conversation.

I can be PeaCocking or dressed like a blue collar, I get the same succes when I open set's.
AS a natural, I feel I radiate myself, your core energy, my identity and that is attractive to a woman.

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Thanks for all the comments in the past few months! You ROCK!

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ok so im typing this withough thinking how it makes me sound and when talking to my best mate i am completly natural and myself. That personality is not attractive to girls and i have lost gfs in the past because i perhaps became to comftorable around them.
so is natural game an option for everyone?
also any good advice about keeping frame controll?


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Happy New Year Guys :)

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ok so im typing this withough thinking how it makes me sound and when talking to my best mate i am completly natural and myself. That personality is not attractive to girls and i have lost gfs in the past because i perhaps became to comftorable around them.
so is natural game an option for everyone?
also any good advice about keeping frame controll?
I think natural game is not about being yourself but being your best self. Before I started pick-up I had low success with women and did certain things. Was I natural? Of course cause I didn't knew anything. However it isn't wrong to learn canned material so you can afterwards learn from it and improve yourself! For example, I didn't knew how to open. Then I used some opinion opener like "who lies more" and afterwards I learned creating opinion openers myself. Same with DHV-stories and routines. Learn from the examples and invent your own. Enhance them in your natural self.

Anyway that's what I think about it, please correct me if I'm wrong.


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My god.

I havnt been on PUA for long, but I have been out about 5 or more times.

Mainly using canned, once i used natural direct, coz my friend JR was pumping me up while we were chasing her down, got a number close and she had a boyfriend...

Few of the guys from my lair have been tryign to tell me wat natural game involves, i never really got it though, after reading your post, it helped me understand it more, and now i am about 1/4 to 1/3 way there to understanding it, after reading that post, i understood some of the things people have been telling me about natural game.

I am keen to do some tomorrow, when daygaming with a friend, we see wat happens ;)

If its a huge success, I owe 40% of it to u TEM :) 10% to lair guys and 50% to myself for being confident enough to make it work ;)

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I can see where you're coming from. The article makes sense and sounds inspiring etc.

But at the end of the day...as an rAFC...how the hell do I put this advice into practice. Yes I can make an approach with an on-the-spot situational opener, then transition based on the surroundings or observations about her, but where do I go from there. Surely you must have some generic questions to get the ball rolling and initiate a conversation?

I have no issues putting my personality on the line... but I can only do this if doing so would fit with the context of the interaction - otherwise it would just be strange and uncomfortable, would it not?
Your thoughts?
I've found I'm much better with natural game just through trial and error.

In otherwords, you're fucking up simply by wondering what to say. Force yourself to approach, work on your inner game, and as Jurrasic Park teaches us, life will find a way.

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See, this is why a certain British London based forum is the best in the world ;) (Sebastian created this thread and is a noted member)..

plus we have BabyGirl, Beckster, Adam Lyons, Ace, Yosha, Gambler - sucks that these American forums are so far behind :)

Anywho, guess you yanks will catch up eventually


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great post, very well written.

i used to follow routines, and im now moving towards being a natural. although im not very good (i still get the awkward silence thing), its definitely better because im showing who I really am and not whom im not.

The only thing I have got to do now is to start talking to random strangers - its going to be difficult, and i have no idea where or howe to start yet.


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. I have a huge ego (I'm not arrogant though, I'm a good guy) and if I see a girl who's a 10 my attitude is "ok, she's a 10, but I'm a 10 and I'm a guy, that makes me an 11". Any woman who rejects my advances does so "because she has low self esteem". I have an extremely positive self image and this must come through when I'm communicating with woman.
I just think "I'm attracted to that girl" or "she's hot".... so much simpler that way :)

I know that girls like me and she will like me.... but I never actually think about that in an approach situation.

I simply think if I like her or not. That's all that matters. Do I like her?

sometimes it's not easy to answer that question... some girls are almost there but not quite. Especially when they have a smoking hot body and nice face but the haircut or makeup ruins it for me....


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I love the sound of natural game and it seems the best way to go, but I feel like if you are not born with a natural flirty, confident personality (which I am not), then you will never be able to naturally pick up women. That is way people use canned material, because they aren't naturals and never will be.
Please correct me if im wrong.

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I love the sound of natural game and it seems the best way to go, but I feel like if you are not born with a natural flirty, confident personality (which I am not), then you will never be able to naturally pick up women. That is way people use canned material, because they aren't naturals and never will be.
Please correct me if im wrong.

David Alexandrovich
essentially I think the true definition of a natural is if basically *any* girl you want will sleep with you (although some may still play hard to get and you might have to take her out to dinner or something)...

so by that definition, I think very few guys who study "self-improvement" will get to that level.

by this definition, there are also 2 types of naturals:

1) the guy that every girl is hot for on sight (or if she does not appear to be, she will be after he looks at her). This type of guy never encounters a bitch shield;

AND

2) the guy that you wouldn't necessarily think is great with women but once he starts engaging them, they are putty in his hands; or if other girls see how he interacts with other girls then they start to get the hots for him

both types of guys can get practically any girl they want... they are at the top of the food chain, so to speak :)


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