i am SURROUNDED by these types of people. Its like pulling teeth trying to talk to them. I hate it.

What are you supposed to do when someone just wont participate in a conversation...

should you call them out on it? They would probably get offended. I dunno what to do.

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dude with a stick you're close but what you are actually doing is trying to fix her problems, which is not good, instead you want to connect on the emotional level and find a way to agree with her and have her agree with you, do you fallow?

noochie what you do is leave them alone and have a really good time with everyone else thats open to a good time, there was a girl I was talking about in another post was one of these, gave me real cold responses at a party one night, she was out last night and said hello to me, the chick has never spoke to me before in her life, doesn't sound like much but thats her basicly saying sorry for being a dick, I've seen her twice out now and everytime shes seen me talking to people she knows round her and other girls she knows and I acted like she wasn't even there, eventualy given the rite curcumstances they crack, they alway do, shes hot as fuck so shes not used to that shit, eventually I'll be in the position to talk to her proper then the door has been opened, all I gotta be is nice cause Ive already brocken rapport to th point where she couldn't take it and had to invest even if it was just a tiny bit to fix things a little, its small but its a start, not only that shes been asking a girl I know thats a very good friend of hers about me, sometimes it just takes time but when its social circle sometimes you got all the time in the world

guys alot of these posts I've put up are sketchy because I've been working on them infield for a long time, last night was te night when everything clicked, my next post is gona blow the fuckin socks of yous

Interesting posts. The thing which realy intrigues me is that the emphasize is not put on being flirty or saying the "right" things, but more on communicating on an emotional level.

Out of interest, how important do you think that "smoothness" and "game" is in a conversation. Do you think it's overrated?

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I don't think of smoothness I'm at a stage where all my subcoms and responses are totally natural, I never have to think about shit tests or anything like that i just be me, Im not too fussed what girls think

alot of my attraction is through pre selection (all totally fabricated that night btw), punishment and reward, rapport emotional connection/comminality game, situational teases and physical rapport breaks/push pull, body angles, looseing interest and looking away, cutting to talk to someone else in the group for a split second while shes still talking to me etc hard to explain, I also kino well and give girls ioi's such as glancing at their lips and hold eye contact longer that I would people I'm not attracted to

direct indirect game as mr Lyons would call it

any of my verbal game is handled through framing and holding my frame

also I lead

this post is just rapport stuff, its also more or less a sketch for whats to come so its not exactly writen the way I want it, I'm working on a post SPAM that will tell you all you need to know to move up a level or two

Who started this?

you should not ask questions?

I'm in sales... fairly damn good at it as well... and one of the most important things about sales is asking questions!

Telling isn't Selling!

What does sales have to do with it... well you are selling yourself to a woman... if she buys, you get laid!

Now you have to look at the kind of questions you are asking...

NO YES/NO QUESTIONS!!!
(unless using for a yes repetition... but that is later in conversation)

Are you having a good time?
YES/NO... yeah that's a great conversation starter / continuer...

What do you think of this band?
well you can imagine that the answers will be longer

For women ask them people related questions rather than thing related questions...

Who have you come with? (great for finding out the boyfriend / date situation in a club as well)

is way better than

What are you drinking?

Girls prefer people to things.



Right i am not gonna write an essay.... i am going to end with the most blatant reason for asking questions...

if you are asking the questions (not always but most of them) then you control the conversation and the direction it takes!!

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This is the statement that everyone misses!

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SmashyD the whole don't ask questions thing is a missconception in th pua community alot of guys have, some systems tell people to talk mostly with statements and ask few questions (juggler method being one that comes to mind saying to turn questions into statements) you'd have to think way to much to pull it off

Ever notice how when you talk to someone your not sarging you get along with them and the conversation flows smoothly.

This is because you are -un-like the majority of posters in this thread- NOT.... TRYING... TO... FORCE.. YOUR WORDS... IN.... WHEN ...... SHE'S TALKING.

Slow yourself down, and stop focusing on saying shit you don't "need" to say.

lol its so true!

the past while I've hit a complete new level of game simply because I figured out a exactly how to create real rapport

no more awkward silences, no more feeling of not knowing what to say, everything is slowed down, I don't even have to try anymore and most important of all no more miss calibrated bullshit

I've been getting unreal reactions on a high consistency like I've never had before, I'll have a post up soon on how to do this

Be yourself, if your interesting, have a hobby or more than 1, and have balls, you will not need to even think about what to say, let conversation just flow, ask questions, but don't ask too many, let her do some talking.

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being yourself is good

top that up with knowing the exact reason for building rapport

(which is so the other person feels a connection with you and feels like you understand and get them)

puts you on a whole different level because you always know what to say and when which is killer for clearing your mind

your calibration skill goes through the roof

mini FR, I was doing this last sat night for the first time consiously, last sat night, a girl who I think is fucking hot, shes a sexy little 22 year old with a bangin body and in the past I have never been able to get in the position to even talk to her came up to me and said that she always sees me around and told me that she really likes me

the reason this happened is because of the reactions I was getting from people all around her I was talking to because I knew exactly what to say to them and I knew the reasons why I was saying it too

This is the first time real high end pre selection game has ever worked for me, usually I've always been a direct one on one type guy

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Oh did You have fun?
Where did You go with her?

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this is the best of those ones,

it shows a personal interest in her, and what women doesnt like to talk about herself?

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THis is a very good post, the other day I met a girl who I felt was really hard to talk to and after thinking about what was going on and why it felt strange I realized she was just a stupid girl or had no game (I found out she was really stupid lol I'm gonna make a field report on her soon so just checkout my recent posts) but anyways she would never question any stories I would tell her she would always laugh and say ya, I got her engaged a couple times in some very amusing conversations because I was literally pissing my self laughing at how uncultured and plain stupid this girl was.

On the other hand some times I have trouble thinking of a subject to bring up when the conversation goes dead, any idea? I have bad active memories and like I have a lot of stories I can share but they some how don't come to mind when they are needed to be shared.

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Hey trouble i have with natural is that i look for a situational opener which works really well for me then i run that dry no matter how fun it was and then transitioning to a self opinion about something related ish and having something always ready and then moving on from that too. this is practise and technique and planning and is just the next step i think.
i am rewarding myself just for the sake of opening and transition cause i know i will get it eventually through practise, evaluation, plan and then re-application.
keep pushing forward just like any other skil in life!

another useful tactic is bait-hook-reel-release.

On another note, if a group of people speak a different language, but they know English as well. How would you continue the convo after they start speaking their language again. Do you just keep firing questions after questions and routines after routines in order not to be excluded since you don't speak their language? Or is the situation totally hopeless?