Indeed An interesting article, but when it comes down to it The all want to be gamed and thats really it

many thanks

Thanks for all the new nice comments!

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nice article, it just re-affirms the natural game is the way to go.

There's always something to talk about really, I find my conversations flow really well when I am relaxed. Things usually come to a stand still when I am looking for something to say that I think she'll find interesting...

I never said i was good at this yet.

the huge advantage of being natural is that no woman can resist good natural gamer. Every woman can possess a knowledge about MM, NLP or other and be resistable to all of the tricks used my representatives of theese methods, she just can't predict a natural.

I like using NLP techniques, not only during seduction, but sometimes it becomes boring and I like acting with no rules.

Yeah I have the same problem. I can have all the confidence, do a great explicit direct opener, and get a good response but then I have nothing to talk about in the middle so it goes nowhere.

Then again I really don't like the routines used in the Mystery Method and other canned/scripted game methods. I'm not gonna open with a line like "let me get your opinion..." or go on talking about my adventures in foreign lands to DHV. I think its all bullshit, and besides women can pick up on it.

So I'm all for natural game I just wish I was a better conversationalist.

You gota keep getting at it. Remember canned material is only a stepping stone to help you get to your inner game. Canned material is only meant to be used at the beggining, in my opinion anyway. - Redkid/Evolution

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Guys like mystery, style, deangelo, matador, etc all started with canned material and teaching structured techniques. Before switching to natural game, i was following the MM and cocky funny. It was harder to show the personality, but it did show the ropes. the canned stuff are liek training wheels: some people Need em. the MPUAs who started with canned matierial obviously moved on from it and there game is natural to them. Im pretty sure Mystery isnt nervous or folllows a set plan all the time he is sarging. Natural game is obviously better. It is the ultimate goal for any afc or pua. I think the structured game does serve its purpose, however. GREAT POST all the same.

Dude, don't you have any hobbies or something? Heck, a zit on a girls face could become a good topic if you know how to sling it. And social skills are overrated... IMHO it all boils down to how determined you are to succeed at something.

In short:

Stop holding yourself back with excuses and go get that girl.

Cheers!

I have been working on a different concept. Mixed Game.

I have taken what I feel I need from unnatural game, natural game,
and threw in some Johnny Soporno!! I just adjust to what is needed.
If I need to make a girl laugh I have no problem with a routine joke.
I then use my instincts to know when and where to touch her. I go
J.S. when I feel the need to disarm them or come in "under the radar"
as it were. I also have no problem letting the ladies know that this is
what I do and that it is all for their benefit. In summation.
I simply listen for one key phrase. It comes in different variations but
is the equivalent of: "You're crazy/silly/stupid/etc. Call me!" That is MY
natural hook point. I have learned that when I get a girl to this point it
is just a matter of time til I tap that ass!!

Anyone else have a similar experience?

P.S. Thanx Kandid. I just downloaded your book and am looking very
forward to reading it. I will get back to you on it.

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I consider myself a natural, so I'll comment on this. What it comes down to is doing whatever you want without apology. A lot of guys say that they're just being themselves and that it doesn't work, but in reality, all they're being is this facade or character that they've created for the public eye.

What I'm getting at, is a lot of non-naturals have created a personality that they use when they're interacting with people. I'll give you an example: If I see a girl with really nice lips and I want to kiss them, I'll just tell her that I want to kiss her. Or if I have an opinion about something, I'm going to state it regardless of if I lose the girl or not.

Getting to naturals and routines: they have them. The difference is that natural's routines aren't practiced. They come about as a result of trial and error, and once something works, the natural assimilates it into his arsenal of routines that he is very comfortable with. For example, I use to ask girls to suck my dick during sex and they wouldn't do it. One day, I brought home a girl, and just told her to do it instead of asking. Ever since then, every single girl has sucked my dick. It's simple, but it is a routine that I still use to this very day without thought, as it comes very naturally to me.

is it just me or does this whole natural game vs structered resemeble alot of Bruce Lee's figting and teaching methods in his book "the tao of jeet kune do" and in Jeet kune do itself( for those of you who are familiar too Martial arts)
having no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.

in this case: having no routine as routine, having no structure as structure.

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Very insightful my dude. This article is gunna b my start in the right direction of natural game. Does anybody reccommend any books on natural game or ideas about escalting? I've been practicing it lately rather than canned material bcuz I need to bring my confidence up around chicks when escalting. Practicing canned stuff is not what I like to do bcuz it makes me feel like I'm biting someone elses game

This is a very good post. One of the best I've read in the seduction community. What most don't understand is this is a totally different level of game which isn't specific to getting women. It's a way of life once an individual awakens to his/her true nature and begins continually growth spiritually.

here are some tips i have found


i used to used canned stuff and it worked....but there was still a void... i needed it filled

if a girl asked if i was gay i would reply, "if by gay you mean good looking well groomed and way ouyta your leauge then yes im gay"

now i just be real and give real answers, like

HB are you gay?

me: If i were what difference would it make?

or if i get shit tested and i dont have something to say....i tell her, "i have no reply for that"

thats confidence and natural if someone asks you an un-natural question give them a natural answer from your true self.....that my friends is confidence, conveying your true feelings/views about something with no disreguard.