Do you end up with a lot of flakes? If you want to be good with girls building a connection is necessary especially when you get her number. Deep conversations are how you get a girl to call you or message you. I completely disagree with that statement. That IMO is a huge mistake... Deep conversations are awesome for getting girls to go after you... to want you more than the next guy because you are different. To be like oh man I am going to ask HIM for HIS NUMBER.

I want to say I don't end up with many flakes, I make them feel like they've known me a lot longer than a 5 minute conversation. I don't believe in 5 minute number closes because of the exceptionally high flake count.

It's not about getting a girl's phone number, it's about getting the meet up, to me it is simply a waste of time to get a girls number if she is going to flake on me. You can't provide enough value if you are busy avoiding deep conversations, deep conversations make it so you provide enough value for them to want to hang out.

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If a girl is sending you blatant IOIs, you've done your job, time to go (unless you're at a club or something then you want to F-Close). The only thing you can do at that point is ruin it for yourself. Where is the mystery, you need to leave with her wanting more.

It is important to keep a good rapport with a solid text game in between to reduce the chances of flaking. And of course, you want to set something up relatively soon so you're still fresh in her mind.

One thing that helps me with "Keeping a convo flowing" is mix up statements and questions when you are talking. It will keep her interacting and keep YOU interesting. Alot of guys will tend to think they have to stack routine after routine, when PEOPLE really don't give a fuck what topic you are talking about or if it was at all related to the last topic as long as they are entertained.

Watch Curb Your Enthusiasm. Larry David is the king of random conversation. Girls like random. Because you are not being LOGICAL like every other dude that talks to her. Whirlwind relationship stories are personally my favorite cause they will always gives me something interesting to fall back, on that she can relate with me to where I won't sound like an idiot going back into the conversation.

Example of what I am talking about...
Me: "If you could live in any country in the world... where would it be?"
Her: "I don't know.. Jamaica."
Me: "OMG I've always wanted to go there/went there last year/last week/whatever!
Her: OMG blah blah blah blah blah
Me: Do you know what I would do with you? Let's steal a leer jet, fly to Jamaica, heist a mansion that is miles and miles away from anyone, and lay around all day naked, playing video games, eating Cheetos! You seem like a shitty co-pilot though
Her: **she qualifies herself, saying why she would make a good co-pilot**
Me: *let my imagination run and see what random bullshit comes out, keep emotions positve, and now all the sudden she is thinking about playing video games naked in some mansion with me in Jamaica and it doesn't really matter what I am saying anymore. Be playful and fun."


So many guys will try and start dirty talking a girl while they are in a bar or club, and if you really want high value women, THAT DOESN'T WORK. They don't like feeling like sluts. If you can simply keep the emotions positive in what you are saying, escalate kino with out breaking her comfort levels and with out going into seduction mode in a public place and creeping her out. Just keep it light and playful and quit worrying about impressing her so much. SHE SHOULD BE TRYING TO IMPRESS YOUUUUU!

A girl on a regular University campus or in a grocery store sees a guy she would physically fuck 20 or more times a day.. Attraction is definitely necessary but it certainly doesn't get you a good enough value to talk to consistently.

Blatant IOIs don't = sex

I mean just because a girl shows initial attraction doesn't mean she'll text you back. How often do you think a sexy girl is hit on a day? So what if you are just another attractive confident man who got her number. When I used to kick it with some super sexy girls they would get 5 texts a day from different guys hitting on them that they gave their number to. Initial Attraction isn't shit.

5 minute close = lots of flakes

I'd rather get 1 number that took 45 minutes and I got laid than collect 5 numbers and have all 5 flake on me. That is my point in my experiences 5 minute number closes are simply a waste of time. You simply don't create enough value with high value women to actually get them to see you... there isn't enough there for them. You are just another cute guy in her world.

Attraction will not get girls to want to come after you.... connection does.

I'm just going from my own experiences here maybe you are much more attractive than me (I'm good looking according to a lot of women, but I'm not great looking by my own thoughts) and it's easier for you. That said I'm a very attractive guy it's just not all related to how I look physically.

This is my perspective of course... You may have less flakes but in my experiences you should not have a weak point in the pick up... from the beginning until the end (including strong text game). Just how I feel.

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This a great post but I do have one disagreement... High value women want to be fucked like every other woman, why would they be any different. Sure you need to have skills and know how to gauge but you better believe you can go extreme sexual. Go check out Ciaran's Shock and Awe technique for proof... Go try it out following that shit really works.

It's all in how you hit on them. Girls only feel like sluts if you allow them to, ime any man with good wording can get past that shit with some basic charisma. I mean it certainly takes some intelligent wording but IME it's simply not true. A man that can gauge women well, create an attractive first impression, can and should be able to be very sexual... that said I believe in building a connection.

Love the post except that one point because I have done that shit with some very sexy women... in fact in my opinion it works even better if you know what you are doing on extremely sexy women because most guys are so intimidated that they won't do it... You are different if you can apply the technique with confidence.

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What if you are gaming a girl who speaks a different language?

What do you say then?

ku ku ku .....

First, if a convo. is boring is your fault, you need to lead the interaction. Second, stop saying to yourself that you suck at convo. We all do, at least i suck... third, most communication i would say about 90% is none verbal, and what you say it does not mean much or at all is the "Sub-communication" , talk to women about whatever, talk to her like you talk to your friends, the difference will be the vibe from friend to friend, you will use from man to women, amp up the sexual vibe and escalation. I usually when i ran out of things to say i try to escalate and bring sexual tension to the interaction, now teevester posted something good about convos.

http://themaleinsider.com/what-to-say-t ... versation/

Also follow Warped mindless sexual escalation guide:

http://realnaturalseduction.wordpress.c ... ion-guide/

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I'll definitely check that out!

I'm always looking for ways to tweak my game

Thanks man

I usually dont run into that problem unless the girl is terribly boring herself.Ive been doing daygame everyday for a long time and i feel like i can talk about anything even if its crazy.sometimes ill just say "hey are u lesbian" doesnt matter ive reaached the stage where what my words are dont matter its more the way i say my words.I suggest you continue practicing but try to randomly talk about random stuff and soon it will come to you naturally and you will be able to keep a conversation going,funny,sad,angry w/e mood you wana make the conversation into.

I think this is a very interesting topic.

So far quantity wasn't taken properly into account though.
5 mins don't have to be all shallow...
If in those 5 mins you "sweep her off her feet" and really project a greatimage and a halo of mystery that leave her wanting more... That's very very effective, especially if followed up in a charming/engaging conversation after that (either call or text).

I'd like to open a thread about this later on to get more inputs and experience sharing..

Hi everybody!

Thanks for all your contributions. I had a bad time since I lost my job two weeks ago. Due to this situation my AA is back and harder than ever. So I could't put in practice all the advice you gave me.
I was told that my body language sucks. It was pointed by a close friend. I've been reading an introduction to nlp book and I discovered I have a bad tonality. I have my doubts regarding matching and mirroring and anchoring. But the tonality and your body language actually says more than the words you tell.

I think it is well know that 7% of the communication is the words you say. Well that 7% is actually very important. Words seduce. The problem in my case is that I am not used to talk to strange people (in this case women) on a deeper level (sex, fascinating states, funny stories, etc). That's why I always end making smalltalk. I know, in my brain that I need to change the course of communication while I'm talking but it's difficult.

Right now I'm focusing in my inner game. There's a war inside my head, and the dark side is winning.

Thank you all

Not sure if this is mentioned earlier (haven't read the whole thread) but:
Talk less in questions and more in statements.

Instead of: where do you work? say: wow, you definately look like a .... (lawyer, nurse, student) kind of girl/woman
Instead of: where do you live? say: You look Canadian/ kind off Jershey type/ etc...
Instead of: what are you doing (opener)? say: Let me guess: You are waiting for a date with a guy from internet who has a dog that he adores, plays soccer and told you that he'd definately wanted to show you some dance moves! (if she looks like she is waiting for someone).
Instead of: what kind of passions do you have? say: You know, I think you're a very artistic person as if you see things differently than other people. In strange abstract art what people say it's rubbish you see patterns and remind you of childhood when you doodled whatever came up in mind.

This is also called cold reading, and it works! There are 3 reactions possible:
1: You'll be wrong and she'll correct you
2: You'll be wrong and she'll ask you what made you think that of her
3: You'll be right and she'll freak out at how perspective you are.

See? No bad reactions. This also requires no investment at all for her. You don't pressure her with questions, and you also give a piece of how you think. She might be intrigued and actually ask you questions. That's when she likes you and the conversation won't suck anymore!

Good luck!

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Who said to avoid small talk? I didn't get this memo.

Small talk is necessary but you'll have to incorporate some meaningful attraction material into your conversations.

For instance, while chatting up the HB and you find that you're stalling and C&B (crash and burn), you can always rescue yourself by talking about the pickup community.


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Yes i put a link on it... good job!

here is more to the op

http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/se ... 6dateto%3D

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Really? Would be interesting to know what others do. I find that I actually stare at a girl's lips. In fact, I see them wanting to make eye contact, so I glance up there for a moment, but then back to their lips.