I don't drink, never have (which surprised many people), and have improved my confidence significantly over the years - to the point where sometimes I can be over-confident, which comes across as too arrogant and not congruent (even though I consider myself a respectful and well-meaning person).

Here's what I recommend, if you want to game better without drinking - first stop drinking, then go and approach. Scary? Tough luck, that's life. Just accept it, game is about pushing your comfort zone. You generally need to feel uncomfortable before getting more comfortable in situations, gaining reference experience and "proof" that you can be more unstifled and free to express yourself, especially when showing intent and leading interactions.

Momentum, is a big concept that has profound impact on your journey. Start building it on a micro-level, then over time this will manifest to a macro level, and you will be moving forward and changing without even realising it. Suddenly you'll be a guy who doesn't drink, or drinks much less, and you'll be feeling awesome and not afraid any more. Problems you had will smooth out and auto-correct, and all the other great learnings and experiences of game will come.

Sounds a bit laa-dee-daa, up in the clouds? Not at all, this is the same process I've gone through from newbie to where I am now... but the learnings never stop. Developing effective processes, maintaining and using energy properly, knowing when's the right time to do the right things, etc. And without drinking, as someone who has relied on it previously for perceived good game, would be a more rewarding experience with long-lasting effects on your development. Personally and with women.

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This. If you have been relying in alcohol as the only means to grab your sack and speak to a woman, then sure, go ahead and test your worth sober. Build your confidence during day game. But if it is night and you are heading out and want to drink, fucking drink. You're thinking too much.

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This is the kind of mindset you should be avoiding. You're putting pressure on every freaking thing and how it will affect your game. When I go out, shit like this is completely irrelevant. It's completely counterproductive, and I'll explain why...

Let's see both scenarios here when you're acting against yourself:

Sometimes you may not really feel like drinking, but you grab a shot or two to get the courage. This is bad because you're lying to yourself.

Or sometimes you may feel like drinking but you won't do it because then it's "not really you" who is gaming. And you can't be further from the truth. YOU felt like drinking, therefore the real you should be grabbing drinks at the bar. You will always feel pressured and uneasy if you act against your true self.

Just don't microadjust everything to gaming, it's bad for you because it keeps you inside your head too much.

That said, drink responsibly because alcohol is one hell of an addictive shit and can really ruin you.

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At the end of the day you want to be having a good time without going overboard.

I personally like to have a few drinks because it makes me feel good and I just have a better time. Remember girls can pick up on your energy and you want to be a fun and cool guy.

However, I don't advised getting sh*t faced because you really can't have any idea how good your game really is. You can fantasize about how awesome you are but if someone were to record you, it could look a whole lot different.

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nothing to do with skills
When you talk about drunk or sober game, skills are irrelevant. Don't talk about how ur kino improves, don't talk about your escalation or any skill related thing.

It's unlikely that you think clearer when your drunk. And it's unlikely that you unlocked some hidden skills because you got drunk. If anything, you probably got sloppier.

state
It's all about your state. Your more confident, less affected. That's why your "skills" appear to be better. They're realy not for the most part.

But more than that, sometimes you take on a different personality. We all don't just have one way of behaving. We have a range. We act differently depending on how we perceive ourselves, how we feel, who we're with etc ....
If your always drunk when you game, it may not translate to great game when your sober.

So there is some merit to testing your women and social skills when sober if you want to be good irrelevant of sobriety levels.

If this is not a problem for you because you either don't care that u only game well drunk, or you have great game both drunk and not, than who cares drunk or sober. It's got nothing to do with game. If you like to drink you like to drink. If oh don't than you don't.

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I like us better when we're wasted
It makes it easier to fake it
The only time we really talk
Is when our clothes are coming off
I like us better when we're wasted
It makes it easier to say it
Lay all your laundry on the bed
And then I'll lay in it instead
I like us better when we're wasted
Oh oh oh oh

tiesto: Wasted

I sort of agree with OP's point of view. Not too drunk though, you still must have your mind.
When I am buzzed I "feel" the situation and actions comes naturally, when I am buzzed I subconsciously know when to touch, when to kiss etc.
When I am sober I "think" more instead of "feel".

How do I know if I read my situations correctly when I am drunk? During the last few years I attempted maybe 50 kisses in bar/club situations and not a single rejection. If I was not reading the situations I would have had a number of rejections... I swear it is some kind of magic - when I am drunk (not too much, around 2500-350 grams of liquor or 2.5 liters of beer) I subconsciously read the situations perfectly. I read them well enough sober, but not as good, usually because more "thinking" is being involved instead of "gut feeling" which is alway right when drunk.

I do not advocate drunk gaming, I just shared my experience which is the opposite of what some people claim (that you fuck up and so on). Of course there should be a "sweet spot" on the liquor amount (I posted mine above).

I'm from Germany and here it is considered to be normal that men get drunk before they approach women. It is something I grew up with and which I've also considered to be normal for a long time. Everytime before we went to a party, it was part of our ritual to get drunk. That started at the age of 15 (!). At some point I needed the alcohol to approach and flirt with women. Nowadays I think about this very critically. What I see is the risk of making yourself too dependent on alcohol. If you have the impression that you can't get girls when you're sober, you should definitely stop drinking alcohol and try sarging sober for a while (as suggested by several others here). It completely ruins your overall game if the only way for you to get girls is to get drunk. In the end this will also have a negative effect on your self esteem and the way you perceive yourself.

Another problem I see is the discrepancy between your sober state and your drunk state, which can be enormous. When I'm drunk I'm the opposite of what I'm normally like. I'm outgoing, funny and talkative. When I'm sober I still show these character traits but not to that extent. This can be a problem if you meet again with a girl you closed when you were drunk. She will see the difference and may be disappointed because you don't live up to the false image you've created.

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