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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 5:59 pm 
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Many of you are missing the point here.
Yes I have personal interest, and I absolutely describe it with enthusiasm. These minute diagnosis aren't helpful.
My issue is talking about things other then myself.
Personal passion is one good conversation but 95% of conversation is just Jabber, talking about food, dogs and tv is easy. But I can't attract a girl with it.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:18 am 
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I have a different take on your plight. I find women are the most responsive to personal passion and enthusiasm it's what makes a person seem attractive because it means some of that would potentially leak out in a relationship (or a fling) and be worth the time and emotional investment compared to other less interesting options.

Based on what you are describing and the way in which you describe it, you seem to exude low enthusiasm. The fastest way to be dismissed by women is to be a dial-tone. Natural game works because it lets the inner you shine through more than canned routines, which are indeed strategic but empty. Some girls uncontrollably want to fill that emptiness with their own passions as a challenge, but if the real you never shows up they loose interest.

My suggestion would be to fill the "I have nothing to say" parts with your own personal passions. Get excited about something you love and talk about it. You can stay collected while you do it, but the passion has to come through. Peppered with strategic wording and calculated mystery and any girl will want to know more. with that hook you have leverage to move to the next steps and they have an investment in you.
He's right. This works (on me, anyway).

Make sure you look like a nice guy, too. Nobody want to see you be you in your sk8r crap. Imagine her telling her girlfriends, "Oh, he looks like a nice guy, and he was just sweet." That's usually enough evidence for 98% of women to be convinced that you're a catch. If you were a hottie, you wouldn't be having these problems, so just be as adorably cute as you possibly can. Make the first move, the whole nine yards. Approach at coffee shops. Take a book with you, like "Plato's Republic" or "To Kill a Mockingbird." See where I'm going with this? :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:49 pm 
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Man, fuck "Natural" game, fuck "canned lines" even moreso.
Do your thing, maintain your usual energy level, and collect.

The more you do it, the more you'll figure out what works and what doesn't
This. Work on your confidence, do the things you like and want to do, don't apologize for shit (unless you hurt someone or were honestly wrong), and just be you. Fuck everything else, just be.

(Sucks that we come full circle to realize that the best advice we ever got was from our mom's. "Just be yourself hunny!" haha)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:31 pm 
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Please, if you have nothing of value to share, don't. I'm confident.


Attraction isn't simply being confident and having interests.
Non verbal communication and fluff talk are my weak spots.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:56 am 
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You're not the only one facing such a problem.

The issue is, sometimes, we over-think things and start calculating consequences. Now if you want to succeed, you have to risk it all. Saying stupid things isn't as stupid as you think. Humans are programmed to act and talk whatever comes to their minds when they are with friends, but are the total complete opposite with strangers. Think of the girl you are talking to as a friend, imagine her as one already and you'll be running lines you never thought you'd talk about.

Don't focus on saying "perfect" things, there's nothing like that. Just talk about your life and let her open up. Talk about a great memory, show her photos on your phone, flirt, anything.


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To be good with women, there are 4 areas you need to deal with:

1. Your FEAR of women
2. Your CONFIDENCE
3. Your SEXUALITY
4. Your SKILLS of talking with them


Based on what you wrote, I think you don't have fear of women, your confidence
is OK...the area that you're probably lacking the most is your SKILLS of talking
with women.

When it comes to the SKILL, there are 4 steps to talking with women:

1. Say something

This is about knowing what to say to start a conversation.

2. Keep saying something

This is about knowing how to keep that conversation going after you say something.

Knowing how to bond, connect, share, ask questions without sounding like an interviewer etc.

3. Play with her and tease

This is about showing her that you are there to date her, not to knit sweaters or talk
about her ex boyfriend with her. You gotta know how to tease and create that
spark of attraction.

4. Lead to the next level, whether it be her phone number, instant date or asking her out.

And the final step is to LEAD the girl to the next level of your interaction, which cold
be asking her for her number, going on an instant date with her or asking her out.

I've created couple of videos that explain these steps and teach you how to do this on
YouTube, I can't post the links here because they'd probably be marked as advertising even
though it isn't.

You can copy paste this into the search box and I think you should find it.
How to Never Run Out of Things To Say to a Woman and Have a Natural Conversation

In that video I explain a structure that is behind every conversation that teaches you how
to continue any conversation for as long as you want.

Hope it helps,

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:09 am 
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I don't get this. There's a countless number of things one could talk about.

Don't think of a topic as awkward or "she probably doesn't care" just fucking talk about it.

I suggest if you really don't have much to talk about try doing new things other then adrenaline seeking. Learn to cook, at least a few recipes . Or learn to break dance . Start balancing your self with more then "I'm a adventurer" just a thought .

Good luck


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For 6 months, Ive been going nothing but natural. Ive got a few good hookups but Im still not living the playboy life. Going natural often leaves me with nothing to say. I thought I would adjust and improve but its not the true. Ive stayed the same person.

Well, Im converting to canned convo. What should I Know?

canned convo will only get you so far. You need to learn this naturally.

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