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But the whole point of learning all of this pickup stuff is so you can store it up in your brain and then use it in the field at the appropriate moment. You can't just expect people to naturally already know it or become naturals all of a sudden. Because being natural is either something that came natural, like being a prodigy, or it is an acquired skill. Everyone can be their own natural selves, which are mostly horrible at attracting women unless they are true naturals. Look at all the average chumps out there with 4s and 5s as girlfriends and wives. They were just being their natural selves. And that landed them in shitty relationships with ugly broads. So much for being that kind of natural.

Once I get used to being nice to women and being aloof, this will become natural for me. It didn't used to be that way, but now my first reaction to any interest a woman shows in me is to blow her off. That truly is my natural response...now, but it didn't used to be. I acquired that skill if you will, through study and practice.

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Don't know if it has been said yet because I havent gone through all of the comments lol. But maybe they respond so well to the "nice guy" attitude because straight up they think of you as just a friend.

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But the whole point of learning all of this pickup stuff is so you can store it up in your brain and then use it in the field at the appropriate moment. You can't just expect people to naturally already know it or become naturals all of a sudden. Because being natural is either something that came natural, like being a prodigy, or it is an acquired skill. Everyone can be their own natural selves, which are mostly horrible at attracting women unless they are true naturals. Look at all the average chumps out there with 4s and 5s as girlfriends and wives. They were just being their natural selves. And that landed them in shitty relationships with ugly broads. So much for being that kind of natural.

Once I get used to being nice to women and being aloof, this will become natural for me. It didn't used to be that way, but now my first reaction to any interest a woman shows in me is to blow her off. That truly is my natural response...now, but it didn't used to be. I acquired that skill if you will, through study and practice.
Being natural is a guy that learn how to seduce women without the need of routines, i am a natural... It is a dude that does not know about the community or read pick up books, he is just get girls without routines, as i said dude, being a "nice guy" will not get you pussy, being a good guy, and knowing the things that attract women will, this is not rocket science, it is not complicated, just go out and relate like a man to a women you do not have to do anything is not that complicated:

Some women will be interested
some would be neutral
some will not be interested


Game help you get the interested women faster, and the neutral to interested... Most naturals get way more pussy that the community dudes, i don't know about the 4 and 5s you are talking about.... Most guys in the community don't get laid, naturals do.

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Talk like an asshole, act like a nice guy


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It occured to me recently that women might respond better to the "nice guy" act. We spend so much time trying to be cocky and neg women and play games and shit tests, and I think that may be too much for a lot of women. What do you think about going the nice guy route and just being positive and friendly and not doing the cocky sarcastic stuff?

I've had a few interactions now and found out the women responded favorably to being told they are pretty, and they blew me off when I started to get cocky and neg them. Even just sarcastic/joking comments seemed to get taken the wrong way. I'm not saying to kiss her butt like an AFC, but just be extremely nice to her so that she'll call her girlfriend and tell her "So and so is REALLY nice to me..." Because otherwise she's going to say "Men are such asses..."
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This is completely true. A lot of guys seem to think that a guy has to be either a shy, nerdy, nice guy or an arrogant a**hole. It's pretty safe to say that girls really want a nice guy. Somebody honest, considerate and trustworthy, but who also has comfidence to pursue his passions in life. Those don't exclude themselves. Also being witty and able to stand out in a conversation DOESN't mean insulting a girl. Not obviously drooling after a girl or making her feel threatened is good, but can be done in a gentlemanly way as well.


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You can be confident without being an ass. There's a time and place for compliments, but good flirting requires that they be subtle, don't beat them over the head with how beautiful they are.


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Hmmm. I guess NOT insulting them and NOT complimenting them is the way I'd go. Speak to them in a friendly way, and laugh and smile and joke around. But don't get all sarcastic or aggressive or offensive. This doesn't mean pepper them with compliments either. That way she won't think you're an ass. And your demeanor will be a pleasant one. But in the back of her mind she'll be thinking "Does this guy even like me?" which is actually what you want. Then as you start kino'ing her or whatever, the mixed vibe of you being nice, flirtacioius, but distanced will start to come full circle and hopefully attraction will be created. But this is like a magical concoction that I certainly haven't perfected, so I really need to think about how I can utilize this strategy with sets going forward.

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In my opinion too many guys are being cocky and funny without the funny part. They tend to think what's funny with his friends will be funny for women aswell. And as far as being nice, i think be as nice to her as you would be to any random person you'd meet, that is do not be nice to her to get her approval or buy attention. That's why it's ok to buy girl a drink if you're ordering a round and buying drink for others aswell is something you usually do and not ok to buy her a drink in order to buy her attention.

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I am just naturally a nice person. I think women pay more attention to details in a conversation or to whats going on in general more than guys. Either way I have more female friends not because Im nice just to females but that they appreciate me being different aka being nice to them and treating them as more than just a sex object


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I don't think it's about nice/assholedom any more.

I think it's about being sexual and not being afraid to voice your opinions.

Look for every opportunity to get sexy with women, don't be afraid to become friends with women, you can learn a lot from them and they often have smoking hot friends if they themselves are not interested.


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Damn Skills! Your post on 'nice guys' nailed my ass to the wall. :( :mrgreen:

I can see my cock-ups in everything you said and they cost me dearly with a woman I thought was gonna be mine forever.

Being a nice guy got me a long happy married life but now at age 60, I'm a widower and find myself in a foreign land wrt women, they're so different dating-wise, I find myself lost. "Nice guy" got me action with 3 sexy younger women in the last year, but all 3 relationships failed, ironically because of "nice guy". I have a lot of wannabees but they're all HB0 to maybe HB3 because women my age have had their adventures, are now super needy and now want "nice guy". Nice guy doesn't want them! :cry: I'm hoping there's opportunity for a guy my age, after all, the desire for nooky doesn't go away. :roll: :D

That's why I'm here and learning a lot from you guys, thanks. :)

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Okay, firstly, I hope we've gotten past the conventional definition of a "nice guy", and what we mean by a nice guy, is a Nice MAN who is genuine, sincere, has a spine, can crack witty jokes (not the cocky/funny bs) and laugh and isn't a serious ass/jerk.

What I've realized from my experience of interacting with women is that if you do the cocky/funny too much early on, you increase the chances of getting friendzoned or at least of being seen as someone the woman finds interesting but not sexy.

Unless the woman is an easy one, I suggest you be a witty man instead of being a cocky/funny joker. Intelligence, sincerity, manliness and confidence attract sexually. Cracking jokes early on make you "that guy? Oh haha, he's cool but I don't think of him that way"

Somehow I've never come to terms with compliments early on, at least the very apparent ones. It validates them too easily and makes you a part of the "herd".

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Skills' post nailed it. I am the epitome of a nice guy. My psychology is so fucked up that I became mentally ill as a result of it after the age of 23. I'm pretty sure that I (a) hate myself, (b) hate other people, (c) do not know this consciously because the niceness is like an ego-shell lying on top of it, hiding it, subsuming it, becoming my self-identity. I can attest to most of the things in Skills' post.

My life basically consists of trying to become more assertive. I have an avoidant personality disorder which means that becoming angry or saying straight what I want scares the hell out of me. If it really scared the hell out of me I'd be sane by now, so I must assume that being scared really does nothing for me, but allows me to live the smallest life you could imagine.

Things I've learned:
- being assertive means taking up space; you are here, you have needs, you have limits, people should respect them
- people will only respect them if you respect them yourself, which means not being okay about their being trespassed, also it means you actively pursue your needs and are not okay with living a meager, unfulfilled, lacking life in which you say no to things that would bring you joy, pleasure, contentment, and basically, summed up: enjoyment. Loving yourself means enjoying EVERYTHING life has to offer, including sex, money, cars, houses, fame, clothes, travel, power, status, as well as work or activity.
- not expressing or stating or realizing your needs is a form of self-hate, because it is your SELF that is wanting all these things and you can either choose to honor it (love it) or deny it (hate it). The self is going to want and need these things regardless of what you would choose in your pitiful idea of what an existence should be like (yes I'm talking to myself) and it's never going to change, so you might as well grow up and deal with it: this is what life is about, these are your needs, they are yours, you can either own them, or disown them, make choices that speak the truth about them, or make choices that tell the lie about them.
- life as we know it is constructed to deny many of our needs: we are told to hide our sex, to hide our anger, to hide our grief, our love, our fear, our envy. We are also told to be obedient citizens who will never exercise any power worth mentioning, and are given the illusion that we are actually in power (through the agency of 'democracy') while not actually being in control about anything. Because we are told a lie about our power and our freedom and our ownership we hold a skewed view of how powerful, free and in control we really are, causing us to accept a lacking version of these things while not even knowing it. The self knows this, and so we really feel smaller than what we are, what we could be. This not-choosing-to-be-big translates into lacking self-confidence and it's going to determine how big (or how small) the goals are that you set for yourself. Do you want to be a little bit free or a large bit free? And how will you behave around other people? As a hostage to other people's opinions or as a self-owned man?
- anybody who is needy denies parts of the self and then tries to get those parts from others, thinking they are "out there" but not "in here". A person who is not needy acts as if what's out there is already in here, projecting outward a mode of beingness that entails a mode of havingness that says: I have these things, and I can share them with you. I do not need them from you. The life I am living naturally brings these things to me. I am not separate from their sources. They are drawn to me in the process of my life lived. They are already a part of me. They can never be apart from me.

In short, if you think women have something that you need and you experience their source (that woman/women) as lying outside of you, alien to you, separate from you, you will be needy because by definition you do not have it inside of you so you have to start looking outside to get it. A natural is someone who has expanded his sense of self to include those other people (women) so that any particular woman will appear to be 'inside' instead of 'outside' the self that he experiences. Being 'inside', we know we have it, can reach for it, and can give of it. In short, our sex is abundant. We know we have enough of it and we can give it to others (women) when we choose. That means: we express our needs, we show our attraction, and we give women what they want instead of what we think they need to get in order for them to give back what we want from them.

The best thing any guy could ever get is a good role model that does all these things right. Cause seeing is copying. You can never understand these things if you don't yet live it. Your understanding is not even necessary because they ARE your natural behaviours - if you only knew.

The trick is to learn of your abundance. You can only experience yourself as abundant if you reveal it in the choices you make and the behaviours you do. So other people have to see it. You can't keep hiding your sex from women under the false belief that (a) they like a guy better who hides himself and (b) they will be compelled to give of their sex once you selfishly give of the sex you've been hiding.

So hiding the fact that you desperately need a woman in your bed tonight and then attracting a woman with drinks or compliments or niceness might not be so helpful. On the other hand, saying outright "I really need a woman in my bed tonight" and then with a grin "you up for it?" might break the ice - she won't (might not) say yes, but your need is out in the open, it's on the table, and you can both laugh about it. Once you've expressed your neediness, it can't effect you anymore. Only hidden feelings can control you. Any feeling that's unexpressed is hidden. You might know it, but she doesn't (in your experience) so in your experience there is no communication and hence no oneness between you. The feeling has to be shared to create a sense of communion. The sense of communion is needed for you to experience 'her' being 'within you' rather than 'without you'. So for you to feel abundant, she must know of your sexual need.

The stupid thing about it is that she ALREADY KNOWS of your sexual need, for the life of you you couldn't hide it from her. It's just plain stupid to think you can fool her. She already knows, and all that's left for you is to tell her. So basically, the thing you have to do is to align YOUR experience, with truth. You cannot experience her knowing it until you tell her. You have to give this knowledge to her. Once you've given it to her, you do experience her as knowing it, which creates harmony and unity between the two, which opens the door for it to flow to you.

This means that you are NOT LACKING. Expressing your lack instantly creates abundance. Even your lack tells of your sexual abundance. Because you couldn't be lacking if you weren't a sexual being with sex aplenty. The only reason you experience it as lack is because you do not give of it (express it) and you can only experience having something by giving it away. The choice to NOT give of it programs YOUR mind to think that you don't HAVE any of it. A natural is someone who always gives.

So what's the issue. The issue is that you think she doesn't know about your lack, which distances you from her, causing you to experience the lack in full. Thinking that she doesn't know about you, you are afraid to tell her, because (a) your truth is that you are lacking, and hence (b) you have nothing to give to her. It's a vicious circle. The only way to change this is to cause her to experience the knowing of your neediness. In this knowing your neediness is transformed, but YOU have to do it.

But will you? After all, the thought that she doesn't yet know about you is pretty safe when you think yourself ugly (needing). But the truth is that you are wearing the emperor's new clothes, already.

Alright, all this from a guy who can't practice what he preaches. Unless...


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Damn Skills! Your post on 'nice guys' nailed my ass to the wall. :( :mrgreen:

I can see my cock-ups in everything you said and they cost me dearly with a woman I thought was gonna be mine forever.

Being a nice guy got me a long happy married life but now at age 60, I'm a widower and find myself in a foreign land wrt women, they're so different dating-wise, I find myself lost. "Nice guy" got me action with 3 sexy younger women in the last year, but all 3 relationships failed, ironically because of "nice guy". I have a lot of wannabees but they're all HB0 to maybe HB3 because women my age have had their adventures, are now super needy and now want "nice guy". Nice guy doesn't want them! :cry: I'm hoping there's opportunity for a guy my age, after all, the desire for nooky doesn't go away. :roll: :D

That's why I'm here and learning a lot from you guys, thanks. :)

hey man thank! read a book that i will recommend for you and is the best book i have ever read is called "no more mr. nice guy" it is by phd doctor that goes into the psychology of it and the why?

About your dating life at 60 years of age women are very promiscuous and they have the highest aid population due to Viagra etc.. All the old people are fucking like rabbits, including in swinclubs i half of the dudes are old with young women... I hope you get that book... you will thank me later...

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Its like getting insightful advice about your enemy FROM your enemy. But would you expect your ENEMY to give you good advice??? Of course not!

Enemy???? You may want to change your thinking women are not enemy they are the most delicate and lovable beings and they are amazing, the enemy stuff is not good dude! work on that...

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