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Are you trying to add to the discussion or looking for an argument?
Sorry about that. It was quite aggressive. I just hate to kill a thread with lively debate.
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It's a numbers game for everyone. I do the same shit, grab girls off boxes, lift them up and wall slam, and then makeout. It's easy once you find a drunk girl who likes you. The girls that aren't interested let me know, and the shy girls or sober girls who are interested will slow down the escalation but allow me to continue.
True. What I meant by numbers game though, is that during the day there's a lot more going on subtly. When I'm in a club, I've no game except caveman shtyle - purely numbers
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I talk about this in almost every LMR thread that I respond to. Escalating somewhere you can't reasonable f-close the girl just results in failing to get past LMR. Touching her on the arm and then the hip doesn't count as escalation. I mean something more like the sex ramp in VinDicarlo. You end up with a girl that is hesitant about meeting up with you again, because logically the next time, you two should fuck, and she is scared. Unless you've got a girl who likes you enough to commit before sex, not fucking her the first chance you get is the last chance you get without being really persistent.
I get that, but what I'm saying is that, with daygame, touching her hip or arm isn't necessary. Not only that, I've gotten (and many other people too) better results from not touching.
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How many of the girls you lost due to kinoing too early, do you think would have rejected you regardless if you had kino'd them a week or two later? Sure you can't just palm the crotch of a girl you just met, but touching her on the arm just lets you know if she's attracted to you enough to be physical comfortable. Why waste time when you can test her for that comfort right away?
I can't answer that question, but I will say that I'm sure that the kino was a reason for losing some of them. Besides, I normally go for the close between 1-4 dates. After that I usually just invite them out to party's or events and just add them to my social circle (which sometimes, but rarely, results in a close).
As for kino being used to test, I don't think that's necessary either. My "litmus test" is an instant date. If she goes on an instant date with me then I know she's interested. There's a lot of sub-communications that go on that let me know how engaged she is, or whether I feel it's fit to get physical. In that case I'll take her home and escalate. After taking a girl home, getting physical has never been a problem, and girls have never been uncomfortable with it.
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If your idea of kino during the day is cave-manning the girl, you're just being a wierdo. How many times do you get a girls number without touching her, and then go on a date to find out she's boring as shit and doesn't want you to touch her? Why even waste time when you can filter these girls out, it's a numbers game on the approach after all.
My idea of kino is consciously touching a girl. Doesn't matter if you do it aggressively or just a light touch here and there.
I've been on 1 date where I thought the girl was boring as shit. I aim to spend a good 10+ minutes with a girl before I get her number, so I already have a good idea of her personality, and whether she's worth dating.
That 1 girl who was boring was a girl that I met while working, so it was a fast close, and I didn't know much about her. Not my type either. And she was very physical with me from the off (BJ in the basement at work, while her parents were upstairs).
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Great, so you're confident. That's par for the course in attracting women and sleeping with them.
Getting there, at least. A different person than I was 6 months ago, but I still get uncomfortable at times, in strange new experiences.
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I'm sick of PUA "gurus" posting results videos like this shit that don't mean anything. You know as well as I do that you could video tape interactions with TONS of girls that seem positive, but you never end up fucking the girl. Sure it's great if an instadate is your end goal, but I'm doing this shit because I'm horny, I want pussy, not a fucking friendly coffee. I don't post about shit that I haven't personally experienced.
I almost completely agree. The videos prove absolutely nothing. I still won't write them all off, it's still useful to see that part of the interaction.
Another thing you mentioned that is SO true, is about having an end goal. I think that a lot of people who come into this lose sight of what they're trying to achieve. I think recognition of men, and the status you get from being able to pick up girls is more of an incentive for them than sex. I, like you, am a lustful guy. I love the feel of a woman, I love sex with women. It's all fun and games, but at the end of the day, if you're not getting laid, you're not doing it right.
Cheers for the reply. I'll put it down to us both having different styles, but all I'm trying to stress is that kino isn't necessary, and that's from experience.
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