I never know where a conversation is going to take me. I never know what I'm going to say after an introduction, sometimes I'll compliment something, other times I will just say "what's up?", with my own style. Sometimes I will share an observation, sometimes just a funny line.

I don't have any specific route the conversation goes, it flows like water down the easiest path. You can't learn a whole lot from people or about them if you have a pre-destined conversation. I love learning about people and if I can discover someone's passion then the conversation takes off. I don't have to worry about anything but listening. Even better when someone talks about their passion they feel great, so when they feel great and you are there encouraging them, they associate that feeling with you. Then you have a strong attraction. Works all the time, throw in the occasional joke, and congratulations on their passion.

Almost all behaviors are learned. There are some things we don't learn that are nature, facial expression from a body language stand point is proven to be nature, a lot of people that argue nature vs. nurture are incorrect. It isn't Nature vs. Nurture, we are all a combination of the 2. We have some elements of nature such as how we protect ourselves(curling up in a ball, distancing ourselves, etc.) then we have things we have learned such as how we hold ourselves. How we react to situations is a learned behavior.

I look at my body language and see a lot of my father in mine(from my sneeze to my stance to my voice). When families come into my work(grocery store) you see kids emulate their parents all the time. Our body language is learned, so how can it be natural? Our behaviors, such as being good with girls are learned, being a good manager. I personally after reading all I have disagree with the concept of someone being a Natural with girls, I consider all the behaviors they have to be learned. So I understand your point they are unconscious for you so they are Natural. Some Naturals do repeat a line on every introduction so I definitely see your point, it becomes natural.

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Im a newbie here and in the game but I had this happen to me on Sat night. Im hanging out with a few friends at a club. A girl come around to where the the area where we are standing and was clearly looking for someone. She walks near me and I lean in.

Me: Its all good Love. Your search is over! Im right here.
Her: *laughs* Allright I'll pay that. That was a funny line.

Then she walks off in search of whoever she was looking for. Problem was I wasn't using a line or at least not trying to. So natural or line?

Hey guys...I actually went from Mystery Method student to 90% natural - 10% routines. And really...what the hell are you guys talking about??!!! Starting with routines and canned tools help you learn STRUCTURE. This is really really important..you know how much time your in set..how much time you're falling in the LJBF zone..when do you kiss...when to qualify! If you say to a random guy hey just approach and be confident without knowing any knowledge at all he will just burn and crash for 4 months before learning something. Why would you want to do that?? I learned structure and now my game is pretty good natural..it's amazing how these indirect canned openers and tranistions helped me out!! They are the proper tools to build something solid. I dont understand why people are so anti-routine. Calm the fuck down you're learning something 95% of guys dont have: Structure. It helps as fuck and I tansformed from canned to natural..it's a great way to start off!

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If you all started off as naturals you wouldn't be on this site would you. As a newb I've found the canned stuff helps loads because it allows you to concentrate on yours and the girls body language etc. From what I've seen so far the words you say are far less important than what you communicate. Canned stuff gives you an opportunity to learn how to say things, not just what to say

If you think Natural is as simple as just going and crashing and burning for 4 months then you have no clue what many of us have put into it. I have read books about courtship from a biologists stand point, a zoologist standpoint, a body language expert, human behavior expert, you still learn structure without needing to have the same conversation 1000 times. In fact you learn structure before the first time, wow that would be horrible having the courtship structure without having to crash and burn tons of time while learning to be someone else. Natural is far more difficult then learning routine. It takes balls to learn to be yourself, it doesn't take balls to learn to be like Mystery.

Pick up the natural way is a lot of work but it is the best way to go. That is why everyone switches to natural(like you). Screw 90% natural every interaction I have is original. Why would I want someone to walk up to someone later and her be like we already had this conversation, fuck that. If I don't remember talking to someone at least then I don't have nothing but a failing chance. I live in a small metropolitan area, so there is no reason to fish out the area with routines. If I go to a hip hop, punk, reggae, rock, ska, or whatever kind of show out here it is almost always the same people(each music has it's own band of folks), do you want to be this guy "oh I remember that guy he went around asking all these girls their opinion on bla?"

If you watch me interact it is all about understanding the courtship process(elevation), understanding attraction(building it, creating it, etc.), and reading her (body language and words) to know where I am in the process. I have made the process so much more then any routine could have. Because I don't wait for one signal, or wait for 3. I know based on people, body language, knowing the courtship process, attraction, response curves.

Easy isn't better, learn to do things the difficult way and you will get more out of it long term. Your success rate will be outstanding, and your game will be ridiculous. I can build attraction walking down the street, in a parking lot, in one cash transaction, any interaction. You want to know why? Because I am original, understand people, interactions, attraction, the courtship process(how and when to elevate). You can get scary good with people and women without losing who you are.

Structure isn't something you need to learn through Routine, there are plenty of books on that alone.

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Learning a method doesn't mean being a personality clone of the teacher. Just like anything else, you benefit from learning a technique and understanding how/why it works before you adapt it to fit your game. For beginners, structure is important. Once you calibrate and internalize the method, you'll learn that certain phases can be fast-forwarded or completely skipped depending on the situation.

I'm a reformed natural. By that, I mean a real natural. I didn't read any "natural game" stuff, I was just pretty good at pulling tail. Now, I'm a Mystery Method guy. That doesn't mean I act like him. I understand the spirit of the method, so I don't need to follow the letter of it. I don't use many known routines. I have my own openers. I DHV in my own way that fits my personality. I do many things that would seem to a novice to violate "the method".

To me, much of what gets passed off as "natural" around here is simply MM stripped down and internalized. When something works, and I do it often enough that it becomes second nature (or natural), does that make me a natural? If a weak, out of shape candy-ass practices a matrial arts enough, he'll improve. When he's so good that his actions and reactions become 2nd nature, would you call him a natural fighter? I think not.

I know we're splitting hairs here, but I have to encourage a complete beginner to learn structure and not be scared off of learing a method. There's nothing wrong with learning a skill set by the book before adapting it.

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Fuck every single technique when you first start out, or ever for that matter. You nervous talking to the first girl? Then tell her "look your the first random girl i've approached and im really nervous right now and dont know what to say to you, help me out?" Watch her face light up and see how easy it will be for a conversation to flow naturally. I mean seriously dont you think these women are tired of these retards coming up to them trying to mask their intentions(because they are pussies) with stupid shit like, "do i know you? lolz", "red or blue? trololol" wtf get real. Just be TRULY honest with women man fuck these stupid head games(DHV, DLV, etc.. all so damn lame to me now). Look up Alan Roger Currie and David x because they know what the fuck they're talking about.

Stop talking nonsense. Some people dont even have the social skills to have girls as friends in their lives. They're not going to be able to get good with girls by not following anything and just saying to random chicks: "Hey you're the first random girl I'm talking". That is plain stupid. This game is harder than that. Not following anything when you start out is just going to put your learning curve a lot longer than if you try to follow something. A lot of people who get in to this dont even know how to socialize so telling a guy who starts out and who never kissed a girl: Yeah bro your good just tell her "Hey I dont know what to say to you help me out!" That is not going to help him get better with girls..he doesnt learn anything except saying: Help me out I dont know how to talk

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You've just come up with a canned opener. Congratulations.
You say "fuck techniques" then offer a technique. Cute.

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Yeah it is actually a direct opener.

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Oh i see where your coming from, your thinking of talking to women as a game. I prefer to think of it as i dunno maybe, socializing? LOL. Damn ever stop to think, "maybe im thinking too much"? I'm guessing your implying that someone who is antisocial should start with routines? I hope not as i find the best social interactions take place when you have no idea what your going to say next. He doesn't learn anything but saying "help me out i don't know how to talk"?. Damn look at the bigger picture, he learns that women aren't even half as scary as most guys make them out to be, and he gets more comfortable with approaching people. You seem to be too focused on words alone rather than enjoying the spontaneity of a real time interaction.

And btw that "line" wasn't really canned because i remember the first time i decided being truly honest with women i said something along the lines of that because that was exactly what was on my mind. I didn't care how she would react to it and i was just happy that i did it. I prefer to call honesty a way of life rather than a technique lmao.

Unfortunately honesty has already been named direct. As in you are direct with your intentions. It's fine if you don't want to consider direct(honesty) as a form of pick up, but it is a part of the game. I suppose you are allowed to define every word however you want, it's how we build our beliefs but you are crazy if you think that every type of pick up doesn't fall into some other Natural's style of going through courtship.

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Yeah talking to women is just socializing...at least everyone with some ammount of training can do that. But getting a girl attracted to you in a short amount of time like on the street or in a club is called having Game I dont know on what planet are you living or how long have you started going out to hit on girls..but if someone's been doing that for 6 months straight up...you know what I'm talking about. A lot of times it's easier said than done and I'm not even into routines anymore but you are unreallistic if you think by taking a random guy who doesnt know anything about social interactions and say to him to open with: "Hey I dont know what to say to you help me out" This is ridiculous..I had a "student" last weekend and I had to explain to him over an hour a half of some important concepts before he was able to actually understand what he was doing in front of a woman. Before he wasnt even realizing that he was making big fucking mistakes in all of his sets

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