If Natural game is lazy then you have no idea what Natural game is. Not even worth arguing with you because you clearly have no idea what natural game entails. Natural game entails:
Learning to have a fluid conversation in EVERY Different situation
Learning Charisma- Making people laugh, smile, enjoy themselves
Getting over your fears
Having Self: Love, Confidence, Trust, Attraction
Learning about People(an ongoing life long goal) so you can react properly
Reading People(Body Language)
Learning Proper Body Language
Learning the Natural Courtship Process
Trial And Error
Persuasion/Influence
Proper Mindset(Poker has showed me this)
Exercise


You are trying to say that is easier then trying to repeat the same conversation over and over? You react exactly how told to react in the same situation over and over, that to me is lazy, memorizing is lazier then just going out and learning to be the best possible you.

Now look at scripted:
You often learn proper presentation but not a lot about body language and attraction.
You don't learn how to have conversations you learn how to have a conversation.
You don't learn about people, you learn about only deal with that type of situation.
You don't learn about the overall structure process, you learn general guidelines, not how the natural courtship process escalates.
You don't gain self-confidence you gain confidence in a system.
You don't learn wit, you learn to read a script.
You don't learn to read body Language, you learn to read bits of body language.
Your fears are set aside when in your routine, but you don't learn to set aside fear in everyday social situations, only when in routine. Meaning you still lack pizazz outside of your routine.
People never meet you they meet a routine.


When you memorize a script you just have to remember it, not doing anything. Yeah you learn some tips and tricks, some body language, but if you look at this way at least you won't get shot down for being unoriginal or when they know you are using a script. Women give points for originality I suggest you gain some.

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This Topic is now a Dead Horse.. Leave the poor fucker alone haha

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As you said my friend, is lazyness. I know why you haven't achieved what you want being a natural, and that's because MM gave you fun things to follow, peacocking, magic tricks, etc make you have fun thus others enjoy you around. As some said natural isn't the way for some, as you need to be fun yourself before having fun. Dating, doing hobbies or working, what drives you to do it well is the fun that's in it, so start being fun to be with and you will improve.
Just enjoy it dude, don't give a shit if it works or not!

its easy to say be natural but if you cant create rapport in a natural way then using at least some of the MM tricks, openers etc helps build rapport.Great rapport building skills dont always come naturally, if they did we'd all be getting laid all the time.

They don't come naturally but learning why a trick works is much more effective then learning a trick works. Learning why palm reading is effective is far more important, then knowing it builds rapport. Sorry but you can list off all you want about how this works and that does, however knowing why things work allows you to do things more on the spot. On top of that you don't get considered an unoriginal tool, like a lot of the guys that get shot down in pick up.

You can gain unconscious competence with socializing in most situations(just like riding a bike, reading, or driving), or you can gain unconscious competence by copying other people, either way you earn the same thing, the difference being you have originality or you copy.

It is very important to get to the point where you learn to do things in stride. Practice makes perfect is what it comes down to. If you want to get good at pool, you keep playing it practicing playing several different games and situations(draw, follow, english, banks, stun, etc.). You don't just set up the same shot over and over and just hope that is the situation you get into (even though there really is only about 15 different shots, then learning to apply english properly). In poker you learn to deal with several situations, from top pair, to middle pair, to set, everything is different, top pair is great on some boards, terrible on others, middle pair could be the best hand, a set is a great hand unless there are three suited cards showing. If you want to get good at something like everything else you have to practice it, that includes social interaction. A person that is a great manager is never a manager that didn't study in techniques on managing or dealing with people.

If you want to be great at having a conversation, go out and practice just talking to people. Go to a grocery store, practice chatting with people on aisles or practice with the cashier, see if you can get good enough in regular areas. Then you can move on to other aspects of your game. All you are doing is adding helpful tools to yourself.

Sorry but I've seen plenty of cats shut down for saying the same thing someone else said. Learn why the tricks work and develop your own style, but don't use them over and over. Don't lose yourself to some persona you created for the purposes of pick up. It seriously disappoints me how little is put into self-development when it comes to pick up, since you are the biggest problem(you being the biggest consistent factor in doing poorly with girls) then you should focus on self development, everything from your knowledge of the attraction process to courtship process to self love. These should be the premier focus when it comes to pick up, then you will be able to attract girls, follow the courtship process, and have self confidence.

Great rapport skills aren't natural they are earned, go earn them.

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this is why people dislike you.

I've noticed, especially for a beginner, like me, natural game is hard. You get the common AFC stuff, running out of things to say, saying the wrong things at the wrong times and losing the set, etc.

Routine based game DOES help with confidence. It also gives you a net to fall on to. I've realized that game is a mix between the two. Routine based game for when you don't know what to say, natural for KNOWING WHEN to say the routines.

I agree with a lot of this however, my thinking is a combo is the best approach. I think the key would be solid inner game + use some of the MM material, but calibrated to your own life so you don't have to...lie. eg.) instead of telling women my last gf was a stripper...I'll say my last gf was a 6' hot blonde russian (I am 6'2" and love tall chics and my last girlfriend actually was a 6' hot blonde russian) in my case this is true- "pre-selected by women" as Mystery puts it. Or on a DHV spike/story use a story that actually happened where you were the "leader of men" as he puts it. ( a buddy of mine is a huge fitness nut - like me, but didn't get into it until I showed him/got him interested in it- I make sure females know this and though this is just a small example- it's also true). While natural game should be something someone conducts themselves with basically all the time- techniques/organization from the MM help greatly and the sliminess is gone when your life is actually matches the things you are saying/doing.

the author of this post doesn't really know what the natural game really is.

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I think it is ok to be lazy as long as we got fuck...

it is even great isn't it?

i think this topic gets too much attention.