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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:35 am 
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I have been learning pua for a year now and last few months it all started to make sense.
You see when I started learning pua I was already outgoing guy that was going to clubs for 7 years and I had little success with girls. So I started to read pua books and using pua material In the field and I have to tell you that it does work for us guys that are social freaks like me.
I was so determined to change my life so I started learning pua, went to gym, changed my diet.
I was going to the gym for 1 full year and I didn’t notice any change in my physical look I was still skinny-fat(183,75kg) I was when I started. I was very curios why I can’t progress and I told that to my trainer and told him about my diet and how hard I train and don’t get any progress. He told me that I might have some problems with hormones(I didn’t know anything about hormones at that time) and I should get them checked. I went to the clinic and got my testosterone checked and it was on the lower limit. After they doctors saw that my testosterone was as low as 60 year old men they sent me to do many tests and they found that I have pituitary tumor.

After that I started to learn about hormones and how they affect our behavior and physical appearance. You see the lower your testosterone is the lower is your value as a mate.
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"Since masculine men and feminine women are thought to produce the healthiest children and sex drive is higher when testosterone levels are also high, these findings suggest that men and women in hormonal states where their interest in sex is highest, show stronger attraction to high quality – or healthy – mates."
Dr Welling added: "We tend to think that attraction is relatively stable over time. However, our research shows that attraction is affected by fluctuations in testosterone levels."
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Temptation by testosterone
Women might be drawn to Brad Pitt types at the peak of their cycles for reasons related to evolutionary biology. Masculine bodies tend to have higher circulating levels of the hormone testosterone. While testosterone isn't necessarily a good thing in itself--research suggests that it can inhibit immune function, and eunuchs, who have low levels of testosterone, tend to live longer than normal males--its presence can be indicative of quality.
Masculinity could be "sexy for the same reason that the peacock's tail is sexy," said UCLA researcher Dave Frederick, who was not involved in the study. "Only males in good condition can generate these traits," because they require a great deal of energy and can only be sustained in healthy individuals, Frederick explained.
Men with hard bodies and sculpted jaws may therefore have better genes for producing better babies, so it would make sense for fertile women to be attracted to them.
Testosterone determines Alpha status in man. People that have high testosterone are born leaders and are prone to take high risks(that’s why jails are full of muscled guys that have high testosterone but low IQ)but girls also like everything about these guys because they are born winners. You see every time you win at something that involves strength your testosterone rises and if you are wining for long enough you will be more masculine because testosterone is anabolic steroid your body produces.
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The ‘winner effect’ has been studied in a variety of species, but only rarely in mammals. We compared effects of winning three, two, one, or zero resident–intruder encounters on the likelihood of winning a subsequent aggressive encounter in the California mouse (Peromyscus californicus). During the training phase, we ensured that resident males won all encounters by staging contests with mildly sedated, smaller intruders. During the test phase, the resident male encountered an unfamiliar, more evenly matched intruder that had experience winning an encounter and was larger than the resident. Testosterone (T) plasma levels significantly increased after the final test when they had experienced two prior winning encounters, and the probability of winning a future encounter increased significantly after three prior wins independent of intrinsic fighting ability. We hypothesize a ‘winner–challenge’ effect in which increased T levels serve to reinforce the winner effect in male California mice.
In evolution girls always wanted a strong hand that can protect her and that is the guy with muscles and high alpha status.
Now let’s just think for a sec why we guys with low testosterone are bad with girls.
We are total opposite of what women want , and they see as week losers that can’t protect her and make her children fed.
Now why we with low testosterone have bad inner game? Because we are not good for evolution we have bad genes and our physiological mind knows that, and it is denying us the ability to reproduce.
One friend of mine has good genes he started lifting 6 months ago and he did more in 1 month then I did in a year and he had bad diet.

Let me just talk little about him.
You see he was just like me bad with women skinny, no game and no success with women but now he is like
f-close killing machine(he is not a PUA)but he has flawless body language. We went out one weekend and he opened a girl with direct opener in a club(like every other AFC) soon he started to talk about sex so she freaked out and told him she has BF, so he showed her his big biceps and said “does your BF has this” she said “no” him again “then come with me” she took her to the car an F-closed her he did that 2 times already he showed me video from his hidden cam in his car.
Now things that happened this weekend that made me write this. We were out again in a club and one friend introduced us with 4 hired guns in a club (two of them wore HB7 and other two wore HB9)these 2 HB9 wore all over him doing kino with his biceps, they didn’t even listen to him he could read his shopping list and they would still wanted him. He gets numbers from girls and he doesn’t call them, why you ask me? I wanted to know so I asked

ME :Why don’t you call that hot girl from last weekend she was all over you?
HIM: I will have to take her somewhere and talk to her, listen her whine and then we might have sex it is to much work for one sex.

My mind was blown by that statement. If he only know how much work we other guys put in picking up girls and he doesn’t call because it is too much work.

I will soon be on testosterone injection after I get all the tests with hormones done and after they take out my tumor. When I started working out I said ”I will never take steroids” and now year after that my doctor will give me injection with steroids ”testosterone”. Isn't life strange?
If any of you have these symptoms: depression, fatigue, loss of lean muscle, fat accumulation, irritable, low libido(sex drive)
Visit your endocrinologist and tell him you have erectile dysfunction(even if you don’t) and he will check all important hormones.
Im not saying that PUA is not working, it is, it changed my life, I just wanted to say that there are some reasons why some of us are bad with girls and it can be cured with PUA and testosterone injection, thank god for that.


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Interesting topic, I like it. One thing to remember is that guys who have a high testosterone level also go bald, high testosterone causes baldness. There is an element of balance required to be a suitable mate, while most girls don't mind dating a a bald guy it is important to realize that it can take some attention away if you have too high a testosterone level.

Chemical levels are somewhat avoided on here because we can't CONSCIOUSLY change these with ease often times. I've always wanted to walk around and check chemical levels at clubs and bar of the "alphas". Finding out their recent sexual activity and what chemical traits seem to be prominent among men with strong body language and high sexual activity. Dopamine and testosterone levels are the obvious 2 high chemical levels I believe would exist, and low glucocorticoids.

I'd truly appreciate some reading material if you post some up I'd be quite gracious. Thank you for the interesting topic.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:07 pm 
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Well many people think that high testosterone lvl-s will make you bald .The truth is that testosterone and other androgens(steroid hormones) will make you lose hair faster if you are geneticly predisposed to lose it(you will lose it anyway it is just the matter of time). If you are not, you will not lose it no matter the amount of androgens in your system.

Yes you can’t change many hormones with ease but testosterone is not one of them. Some of the injections will last to 20 days or 60 with NEBIDO.
Half Life: Ester dependant
Testosterone Suspension – within 1 hour
Acetate - 1 day
Propionate - 1 day
Phenylpropionate - 1-2 days
Valerate - 3 days
Hexanoate - 3 days
Isocaproate - 5 days
Heptanoate - 5-6 days
Enanthate - 5-6 days
Octanoate - 6-7 days
Cypionate - 6-7 days
Nonanoate - 7 days
Decanoate - 7 days
Undecanoate - 20 days approx
Undecylenate - 8 days

Steroids aren’t as dangerous as people think, look at Arnold Schwarzenegger he is 63.years old and many others overused steroids to the maximum and are still walking on this earth.
But you see if we don’t have enough androgens in our system it can be fatal.
In adulthood, low testosterone may lead to decreased sexual function and desire, infertility, and erectile dysfunction. Loss of hair, decreased muscle mass, and osteoporosis or decreased bone, obesity, diabetes, and possibly cardiovascular disease
As you can see low testosterone can lead to hair lose too.
I think think Style lost his hair because he had low testosterone and he had high voice also sign of low test.

But I don’t think baldness is bad because I have seen girls get attracted to a men because he was bald, I think that if she sees a man that is bald her psychological mind assumes that man might have high testosterone and he is a winner.
Many of my knowledge about the topic was read from medical journals that describe animal behavior ,and bodybuilding books about hormone use.

I really do think that human communication consists of 93 percent body language and paralinguistic cues, and low testosterone can kill our body language and natural game.

I can send you some links on hormones if you want to read but you can learn more by observing juced guys at the gym and the way they act(they act like animals in the wilderness), it will says it all.
Many of them wore like us bad with girls and they chosed the only path that they know about and it helped them get girls and selfesteam, I don’t see anything bad with that, we need to combine these 2 world and I’m sure we can improve our inner game and body language.
Girls are not attracted to bad guys but guys that are man,alpha and high in male hormones.


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I'm not talking about taking steroids, I'm talking about studies that were done involving men that were bald. Men that were bald had higher testosterone levels, that was what I was referring to.

A high pitch voice is also a sign of a high estrogen level not necessarily just a low testosterone level. Based on his fluffy weight that could be an issue as well, estrogen brings on a higher fat %.

When I was saying consciously change things with ease I was speaking purely about how you can't just decide that you are going to have a higher testosterone level and have one without help. You can change your body language, clothes, what you say, all of that without another person, though one helps, testosterone boosts on the other hand require a physician and check ups, not to easy in comparison to walking through a door way and straightening up your shoulders, head, and back.

I'm actually not someone that has issues with steroid use, when done properly it makes no difference. Problem is a lot of people out do themselves and don't use it to balance it out, they use it to up levels in themselves when they likely(body builders and athletes especially) already have sufficient testosterone in their system. So when you do this it effects your body and mind negatively. Once the use of it changes you from the person you are, then it becomes an issue.

I have had a friend who wanted to grow a beard(unfortunately he committed suicide) take a form of some steroid pills, it was a huge change in behavior. I noticed it immediately, he became very competitive and very aggressive. He became a bit more difficult to deal with. I know the differences, you can often figure whether someone is on a behavior changing chemical when you have a baseline behavior.

The Gym is not the best place to check out men on steroids because many men will have an unusually high amount of adrenalin in their blood stream from the artificial stress and arousal brought on by their work out. It is not unusual(well it has happened) for Olympians to fail a DT and pass it an hr later after the chemicals in their body balances out.

What people don't realize is when we stress out we are using a very primal function that was designed for freeze, fight, or flight. This function was designed for when we were in danger or needed to eat, not for working out, but when we do work out these primal functions shine through and you see us for the animal we really are at our core. Make no mistake humans are animals. We have the ability to call ourselves humans and try and separate ourselves, however it doesn't change the fact that we are animals.

I'd be very interested to find out steroids effect on the hypothalamous, with depression for instance it has been found to literally be damaged, long term depression can literally cause life long unhappiness. With steroid use I wonder if it would expand or overwork long term giving it a shorter over all lifespan. The truth is steroids simply have not be around long enough to find out their long term effect on the average human being. Arnold wouldn't be a very good example because of his outstanding reputation for keeping in shape, eating right, and having a generally easier life style then most of us.

I think that baldness doesn't destroy the physical attractiveness of a man if it doesn't destroy his mental attractiveness(his confidence self esteem). I also think that a women has her own personal taste(type), that personal taste(type) is derived from her past, guys she liked, guys she hated, guys she idolized, guys she look up to(father, uncle, grandparents), all sorts of elements of her past. Some girls love bald men and others don't care core them at all, it truly is women to women.

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I have had a friend who wanted to grow a beard(unfortunately he committed suicide) take a form of some steroid pills, it was a huge change in behavior. I noticed it immediately, he became very competitive and very aggressive. He became a bit more difficult to deal with. I know the differences, you can often figure whether someone is on a behavior changing chemical when you have a baseline behavior.
First let me start by saying I’m sorry about your friend. Oral steroids are the worst kind they really can kill you by damaging your liver, things like androl can’t be metabolized by the liver because it is I 7-alpha alkylated and it is very liver toxic it is also connected to liver cancer.
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I'm not talking about taking steroids, I'm talking about studies that were done involving men that were bald. Men that were bald had higher testosterone levels, that was what I was referring to.

A high pitch voice is also a sign of a high estrogen level not necessarily just a low testosterone level. Based on his fluffy weight that could be an issue as well, estrogen brings on a higher fat %.
I agree with you here, but you have to understand that people with higher testosterone go bald because their body has enough of free test to convert it to too much DHT, that’s why they have hairy bodies and no hair.
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What people don't realize is when we stress out we are using a very primal function that was designed for freeze, fight, or flight. This function was designed for when we were in danger or needed to eat, not for working out, but when we do work out these primal functions shine through and you see us for the animal we really are at our core. Make no mistake humans are animals. We have the ability to call ourselves humans and try and separate ourselves, however it doesn't change the fact that we are animals.
I can’t agree more

I wanted to ask you something.
What do you think about this?
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Over the past two decades, levels of the sex hormone in U.S. men have been falling steadily, a new study finds.

For example, average total testosterone levels in men aged 65 to 69 fell from 503 nanograms/decileter (ng/dL) in 1988 to 423 ng/dL in 2003.

The reasons for this trend are unclear, said researchers at the New England Research Institutes in Waterdown, Mass. They noted that neither aging nor certain other health factors, such as smoking or obesity, can fully explain the decline.

"Male serum testosterone levels appear to vary by generation, even after age is taken into account," study lead author Thomas G. Travison said in a prepared statement.

Testosterone is the primary male sex hormone and plays an important role in maintaining bone and muscle mass. Low testosterone levels have been linked to health problems, including lowered libido and diabetes.

It's normal for men's testosterone levels to peak in their late 20s and then start to gradually decline, experts say. But this study found that overall testosterone levels are lower than they were 20 years ago.

"In 1988, men who were 50 years and older had higher serum testosterone concentrations than did comparable 50-year-old men in 1996. This suggests that some factor other than age may be contributing to the observed declines in testosterone over time," Travison said.

He and his colleagues analyzed blood samples -- along with health and other information -- from about 1,500 men in the greater Boston area who took part in the Massachusetts Male Aging Study. That study collected data in 1987-89, 1995-97, and 2002-04.

"This analysis deals with men who were born between 1915 and 1945, but our baseline data were not obtained until the late 1980s, when the elder subjects were about 70 years old, and the youngest about 45," Travison said.

"Events occurring in earlier decades could certainly help explain our results, if their effects persisted into recent years," he noted.

The findings were published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism.
What is taking our manhood from us? I think this is not happening only in US it is all around us.Thats why I think we need to check our testosterone at any sign of low test.


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