Gentleman,

I'm in need of some advice about gaming alone in bars/clubs. Most of the times when I go out I'm with a few friends which gives you 'social proof' of who you are and why you are there... When I'm on business trips, I never really go out to clubs/bars alone. I'm afraid I might come across as being a 'desperate guy on the prowl' when I try to game in clubs by myself.

Opinions please!

Who has experience with the 'solo game' in clubs/bars?

you have to make your own social proof by being social. The first thing you do is walk straight in and start talking to someone, the bartender or the guy next to you will work.

Also you won't have brought people with you to rely on, so you need to keep busy. be talking to somebody, ordering something, checking your phone, or going somewhere. Pretending to have a phone call or make a text message can work.

If its a work night and the place doesn't have a meat market vibe, then have very low expectations other than a few phone numbers. Its just a place to chill after work and you don't want to disturb that. Eventually it could become a social circle and there is your social proof when a babe walks in. If you become a regular it is very important to tip well because the staff are social proof and often better looking than the customers.

If you go to a nightclub and don't know a soul you follow the same rules except that if there is dancing going on, that is what you must do. Dancing with a hot girl is the best social proof there is in a nightclub.

Last but not least, and I shouldn't have to say this, don't cling to any one person too long, don't wear out your welcome. If it seems like the place is all dried up for you then just leave.

In my personal experiences waiting for friends at the bar you need to seem non-threatening. One of the better ways is having a drink in front of you, and a book. Food is also an option. You want a good location where you get a bit of exposure and it is easy for a girl to feel comfortable around a guy. If you are busy doing something else you will be less likely to bother her from her particular stand point.

If you go up from girl to girl you look like some guy on the prowl you seem to stand out far to much. If you are reading a book at the bar where people frequently get drinks it is easy to look up and say hey how's it goin'? Just seems like a regular greeting. From there you can start up a small conversation perhaps close now. maybe you don't, but if the girl comes to get a drink next you again it is a positive sign unless they can't get drinks elsewhere.

Just how I have seen it easiest. Pool is also a great way to meet people if you are any you good you get great social proof as a good pool player in a bar.

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Thats just weird. You dont go to a bar/club to read.
Don't do that

I was thinking less club more pub... Club wise it is a social event smoking is your best option, easiest social environment. If you are in a bar alone walking up from girl to girl it looks really bad. If you have girls walking up to you while you are having a drink waiting for a friend reading a book you look a lot different.

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That's why you shouldn't talk to just girls, but guys too. Be a social butterfly. I once went from group to group with the same opener: "Do you know if smoking is allowed in here?" (opener doesn't really matter), and just start conversation from there.... (where do you know eachother from, cold read (I bet you all know eachother from school), etc)

Just keep talking to people, doesn't matter what, anything, as long as you're busy. Then you can just say to people: "Oh, I just saw an old friend, cya (or be right back, depending on how well the convo went)", and go approach a girl you're interested in.

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So you use routines, this is the natural game section. Routines is for another section. Why are you even interested in this section? Not trying to sound rude but you came on a section where someone is asking how to do something on his own in section not based around routines, your rebuttal involved 2 routines. You also added regular routine questions.

I agree that you shouldn't just talk to women, I usually talk to both sexes. A great piece of advice.

The other thing is when I was saying waiting for a friend I was referring to situations I have been in. He won't have any company coming, he will be out of
town. So how is he suppose to say "Oh, I just saw an old friend, cya".

The point of the book (newspaper, magazine, etc.) is a few things. It drops down shields (disarms them), because they see you doing something, your not threatening. It shows you are different, secure. It shows you are confident and not worried about judgment. The people coming on here saying don't read a book at the bar is weird don't understand the natural ideals of courtship, how humans react, what they dis/like, etc.

Talking to everyone (literally) to me seems like your seeking approval, just keeping on talking to people can make you the annoying guy very quickly. Not everyone has the social characteristics the roll around a bar making friends, sometimes it looks desperate and you come across as creepy (even talking to only men).

Brian's answer was the best of all of ours, but the answer I gave was slightly related (the book is the cell phone, that is keeping him busy.)

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lol routines... I actually don't use routines anymore, but what I said are examples that I use almost all the time.... we could debate all day about what's a routine or not, but think about it.... don't we all use routines? It's like when you say: "Hi, my name is x", is that a routine? probably... because you use it in every group.

The opener was an actual question from me, not prescripted, because I was curious if I could light a cigarette in there.

and the coldread isn't so much of a routine, I don't say a standard line to everyone, I actually DO look at signals and try to give an actual coldread. Is it a routine? No, because it's always different.

The "oh I see a friend, cya", was referring to a random woman in the bar, a cold approach.... but the guys/girls you are talking to won't know that. (If you actually care about your value in the group you were in, you should go to the cold approach as indirect so there's no chance of you being rejected and them seeing it, crushing your value because they know you've been lying... no old friend does that )

Talking to everyone, is only creepy when you stay for 30 seconds and move on every time... the point I'm trying to make is that you're never seen alone. Talk to the first guy/girl you see when you enter the club, and when the convo dies out you move on to the next. As long as you're not standing alone, looking around, doing nothing.

yes you're right, walking around making friends, being a social butterfly.... and I know that not everyone can do that, but we're here to learn. I couldn't do it before, now I can... how did I do it? By going out and practicing. And I actually was that creepy guy too when I first began.

Talking to the bar-guy/girl is actually a good one, and making friends with bouncers, cause they can give you access to VIP area's. You could even buy them a drink: "Hey, you looked thirsty, thought you might like it."

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I go out all the time by myself, mainly because I haven't found a wing that can wing me very well, plus a lot of times my friends don't want to go out and I do.

Anyway, there is one particular club that I love and can go by myself there without a problem because I'm a regular there, know all the security guards, bartenders, door guy, bathroom guy, other regulars, etc. That allows me to go by myself by just being a regular and knowing everyone that works plus the other regulars there is social proof and have fuck closed there without a wing.

However, if being a regular cannot be obtained and you're only going to be there for a short period of time then its still possible to be new to a place with no wing and still have/show value.

Simply put, what others have stated you must continue to run your mouth-piece to anyone and everyone to look busy. Some people say pull out your phone, I never pull out my phone at a club unless its to get a number or check the time. I find that it lowers your value and makes you look like you aren't having fun or are too involved in other bullshit outside of the club such as drama.

When you get in there talk to the security guards, the bartenders, and maybe open up some guy sets at first and win them over and maybe they'll introduce you to some other people. If you're confident enough, go up to a 3 or 4 set of pretty women and talk to them. Once people see that then that'll show immediate high value regardless if the girls know you have friends there or not, you sure the hell are making some. Someone mentioned that dancing with a girl is the best thing to do to show high value but I disagree. While it is good, opening a 4 set of beautiful women in my opinion shows much higher value than just dancing with one girl. I think most people find dancing easier to do then talking and entertaining a 4 set of women for a good length of time. I do like to dance, but I feel like it doesn't convey my personality quick enough to get much out of it, all it does is show value. You can get value and convey personality by opening up sets. The bigger the set, the more the value. I've had most success by opening up 2/3/4 sets of women EARLY, not late because you've got to get your value up early before too many people get there. You want people to see you talking to women while they are just getting in the door going to get a drink so talking to women by the bar or entrance section helps as well. If you wait too late your value will hit a brickwall and it'll be much harder to build it while people have already been there for a while.

Some people are extremely insecure if they don't have their friends with them, don't let this keep you from getting laid. For girls its okay because they're girls, but us men shouldn't have to rely on another person to determine if we're going to get laid or not, thats almost like a sense of cockblocking. I'm so used to going out by myself I never feel this insecurity unless its an extremely new place I've never been to. Just stay in your own headspace and make sure you're having a good time and people will see those vibes and start having a good time with you.

its really easy to go out on your own, once you get used to it

if you're not used to it, then obviously it can be a bit nerve racking

Tips

1. go to busy places. if it's quite, then you'll look bad. in busy places, no one will know your on your own

2. talk to other guys in the area (ie in the club that are around you). bullshit conversation will help you feel comfortable - you'll realise in fact that clubs are very "open" and "friendly" environments - everyone is up for a conversation if your open yourself

those two on their own will help hugely - there the absolute basics. everything else is just mental BS. If you have inner game problems, work on this before you have the balls to get in the club

There are 2 ways to build inner game... you can gain inner-game by building yourself up, positive affirmations and all that spiritual stuff,

or you can gain inner-game by getting results, and being a confident guy that has life experience to back it up.

I did both.... and from personal experience, the first one is temporary and the second one is permanent.

Just go out there and expect to fail... it's all a learning experience. The trick is to see the bigger picture and knowing that THIS night won't matter if it fails, but it'll help you build up to getting solid closes later on, and building the skill set to do it.

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tell them you had a long day and needed to blow off steam... you wont be seen as 'on the prowl' by yourself... if it makes you that self-consious, come late to a club and tell girls you meet that your friend had to leave because his girlfriend's car broke down... tell them you love meeting new people... you can say a lot to not seem like a creepy dude waiting in bars for women... it doesn't really matter what u say...

tell them the truth but make it sound tongue-in-cheek. "I'm here to pick up women for zero night stands." then laugh like its a joke. w/e