The key characteristic of an AMOG is being non-needy and unaffected by others. But AMOGs will often try to chump you by saying something like, "Dude, you're just annoying." In other words, "I'm [in some unpleasant state] because of you." So I've been trying come-back negs of this form, followed by a take-away:

[chuckling] "Yeah, you're clearly the kind of guy who easily gets [in unpleasant state]." or "Yeah, you're clearly the kind of guy who is easily affected by things."

In other words, I'm saying, "If you're affected by me, you must not be an AMOG." The beauty of it is that I'm not even making an unsubstantiated claim: he has just PROVED I'm right. I've tried it once and felt like I got the upper hand. The dude said "Tssssss," but said it to my back, and I clearly nailed him. The trick is to a) be amused rather than bothered by the AMOG and b) turn attention elsewhere before the situation escalates.

"Don't try to put me in a box you stupid brad"
"ha I see, you're the kind of guy that doesn't want to be put in a box :p"

Man.. I thought we had enough women-related problems to deal with, but you've brought males into this as well

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Co-sign!

You guys seem to think you can get AMOGGed that is the problem, AMOG is merely an excuse. If there is a guy like that there all you need to do is joke at him. I don't know I am rarely not liked by people, including AMOGs, I stand by my motto, guys should be like well if she hooked up with a guy I am glad it was that guy.

Perhaps I am a bit to intimidating to be intimidated? Don't give anyone the satisfaction. Someone cuts you down with a joke, go with it. They say your a pussy my response is I am what eat. The only way an AMOG can do those things to you is if you let them effect you. You guys seem to make the assumption that the AMOG is in control and you must take it away, who cares who controls the whatever?

Someone who insults you is negging you to lower you, if you agree than there is no insult. If someone says you are lame, I thank them. If they say you are weird, I say you say that like it's a bad thing. I mean seriously guys AMOGs effect you only if you let them. I don't fight for the power, I come in I chat and if they want to take over the conversation it is all theirs. If they want to insult you roll with it. I am witty enough to say things like oh well thinks for teaching me to be like this.

Just go with it, don't give anyone the satisfaction.

All these BS Amog tactics give the Amog the power where you start stupid stuff over a few dumb comments. Do you think their friends will take your side or theirs? Every Amog travels with friends. How can you be the Amog with everyone else on a different side? Not very productive right?

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Thanks for the insight. Mystery and the other guys talk about "frame control." The point you seem to be making is not to accept the AMOG's frame. I see a frame as a set of options or expectations. The AMOG is saying "I am alpha over you, and you have these choices about how to respond to me: you can either flee or fight. If you fight, you either get physical or throw back the same kind of verbal abuse I'm giving you." In other words, he is demanding that you play his game according to his rules, his terms of engagement.

I have studied the Art of War a little bit, and the crucial point seems to be the one you guys are making: don't play the enemy's game. Make him play your game. A few thoughts:

1. Act as if he were not there. Literally don't respond or react at all.
2. Act as if he were a person you were friendly with (acquaintance, friend) that happened to stop by when you were deep in conversation with someone else.
3. Act as if a girl were flirting with you.
4. Laugh as if he were a comedian friend who had just told a hilarious joke. "Oh my God, thanks for that." ha ha ha

So for (2) you might smile and say politely "Hey, how's it going ... let me get back to you" and go immediately back to the girl (Matador does this one). Or, "Hey man. Nice jacket" and go immediately back to the girl. Or look confused, "Sorry, I don't remember you name. I'll catch up with you in a sec."

For (3) you might say "I'm actually taken."

He wants you to acknowledge him as if he were an AMOG and a serious threat, and you just won't.

"Dude, you're just annoying."

passive response: 'Hey thanks buddy, good looking out' back to convo with girls.

"Dude, you're just annoying."
aggressive response: Act like you could hardly hear him ' huh? yeah yeah thats cool....OMG! wow you look like that actor!' ask the group if they think that the amog looks like that actor whose name you cant remember and this actor is cool because all the ladies love him.

I find the more I try to wing an Amog the more it looks like I'm tooling them. Maybe Amogs are so up themselves that compliments overload their train of thought.

or maybe you are annoying? and the Amog is actually looking out for you.

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you can fake it till you make it, but if it feels REAL go with the flow!

I myself was searching for a solution to this problem !!

thank you for reminding and pointing out the "frame control" !!

What happens when you guys get Amogged? I am not sure I understand how you guys are getting pushed out of a conversation. How are you guys are getting slammed? Explain further because I don't understand what happened before or after.

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I smell a controversy here.

You are in the NATURAL game section asking for NEGs for AMOGs...

If you are a natural you dont need to neg anyone, especially not an AMOG because you are the AMOG.

If you sit at home trying to come up with a canned neg, that is not natural.

But your question... How to neg an AMOG. Why would you wanna neg an AMOG? To pick him up? You wanna lower his value, sorry aint gonna happen if he is truly alpha. Better to make sure that he understands that you are at his level or higher but are reluctant to fight for dominance because you guys are both out to have a good time!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn