I asked this question on one of my other threads, but it didn't have anything to do with the original topic, so I wanted to ask it here.

How hard would it be to immediately go Natural as opposed to going the routine based method then switching to Natural? I respect MM and all of that, but it just doesn't feel right. Most people on the forums suggest using MM or some sort of routine until you get more comfortable then switch to Natural.

I just want to know if other people actually started off Natural and what their journey was like.

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Its hard in the start, and can get extremely frustrating... stick to it and it pays off after a month or two... BIG TIME.

but there is a reason its called 'natural' game - its not something you can just fake, alot of the subtleties of a natural's game have to be bred through life experiences.
go make those experiences happen

There's a reason every single one of us is in the game, and that's because we aren't naturals at attracting women. The canned routines will get you off to a start and after a few months of using them, you will begin to form your own patterns and eventually be able to come up with any opener depending on the situation

I'm just on the fence about it. Going natural at the start would just require me to go in and say whatever comes to my head and just calibrate and fish my body language/mindset. MM would require me to go in and just spit out the lines that I've had pre-written.

What are most people's experience with how they started off?

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-Ted, How I Met Your Mother

Im starting off natural, been doing this for 2 months now. Going natural, you learn faster. This is because you don't have to memorize any routines, or worry about running any routines. Try anything off the top of your head, see if it works. If it does ok, if it doesn't then why? Try a modified version next time, try something else. Its more fun and it feels like you're running your own stuff.

However, you have only yourself to blame for failure. No saying, oh i didn't memorize anything well enough, i didn't internalize this concept well enough. You make all the decisions and take all the shit for it going wrong. Anything that goes wrong, either you made it happen or weren't skilled enough to prevent it from happening.

But once you are able to handle failure properly, getting into a mentality of self-critique and self-learning, it becomes awesomely fun.

I'd definitely say do it.

Starting off towards the natural concept is based mostly on inner game. If you don't build a foundation the building will collapse, just like your game.

Some people have some personality traits that allow them to be successful natural style quicker than others. They can have a smooth conversation, make people laugh, etc. Some people don't have those tools.

Some people are better starting off with routines because they aren't very good at having a conversation or starting one. Not everyone has the natural tools to start off without routines(natural style), some people are social retards and need an outline to be successful.

I'd say the most important thing for the natural concept to me is understanding the courtship process(5 phases) and body language. Once you have mastered body language(reading it naturally and escalating thoughtlessly), understand courtship and how to react properly, can flow a conversation, and have inner game I'd say you would be a very successful romancer/seducer. Body language, inner game, understanding people, and how to influence them were the most important things I have learned in the pick up game. I have tons more tools but those are the things you need most.

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Thank you. This is exactly the answer I was looking for in order to make my decision.

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"Nothing in this life quite compares to the sweet-terrifying exhilaration of making your move. When you just put it all on the line and go for it."
-Ted, How I Met Your Mother

Thanks for the love. The other thing I would say is that going the natural route will develop you more as a person. You will look into learning to be funnier, to make people feel good, read them, gain charisma basically, you will build actual confidence rather than confidence in someone else's proven work, you will learn to decipher and project body language, how to keep a conversation, need to learn a wider variety of topics, etc. These are things you develop in yourself so that you can be better at natural style game.

I mean canned routines are solid you want to develop yourself unless you have a severe social disorder and need to hide behind something(that is all we are doing with routines hiding) I would start with inner game and understanding body language and go from there. Either way you will need both of those tool sets.

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you can do it, im doing it right now. you just get less reactions from women because you havent gotten some articulated script. but AA is less because UNnatural places women higher than you and in turn cause more AA.


but then again you have to think on the spot and rely on yourself which is pretty nervous but you then learn how to handle yourself and grow as a person, not a performer. (i think) im not too far in it. also you dont need to do much to get women, its hard to learn those subtle but crucial things.

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It's a lot harder. But ultimately, it's far more beneficial. This way you don't have to break a lot of bad habits that you create when your learning canned material. People say that routines are no good, but they work. I'm a massive natural gamer, but routines are like "cheat codes" if you have good ones. Try to play without cheating .