I believe, although I have nto had it confirmed by any of the seduction gurus quite in this way, that if you walk away you at the right time may end up getting more girls in the long run than if you stick around too long.

I have heard it said by some in the community to give it three chances to meet and that's it. Sometimes you actually do meet nad it ends up going nowhere because the girl is boring or whatever.

Anyway, I believe that there comes a point when you should actually walk away and really do it. You may not get this particular sarge, but in the long run you will get more than you lose.

It has happened to me before, even during my AFC days, than when I actually left, a week later or more the girl comes after me.

Do you agree? When do you guys think isi the right time to leave?

I know you are trying to learn so I won't be too hard on you.

When you feel nervous it is because the girl is nervous. People have a connection with each other. There are different kinds of nervous. The butterflies which is a good nervous. And the paranoid fear - bad nervous. If you feel this paranoid fear, and you have nothing left to say then walk away. If you stay around while nervous you will make her nervous and she won't like you.

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Thanks, but my post had nothing to do with nervousness.

I didn't mean literally walk away while in set. I meant walk away from a sarge after number closing. During comfort basically, if its not going the way you want it.

Walking away.

I walk away when a girl displays bad character and I have learned through countless mistakes that you should always follow your gut.

Is it too good to be true? Is she acting too into you? Red Flags? Something isn't right?

Just fucking walk.

But don't walk because you think its a tactic to get her back. The point is you screen her and when she displays that she is just another immature bitch like the rest you walk and ignore her.

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Ahead of my time, like I live my whole life backwards.

The right time to leave is when you feel nervous.

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Walking away is golden!

Do you know how many AFC's keep trying and trying to the point where the girl becomes completely uninterested?

The willingness to walk away shows that you're not putting her on a pedestal. That alone demonstrates value. You're separating yourself from so many guys who would never leave once they've established contact.

Walk away at ANY time. Even if she is interested in you. Show that you have other shit to do. Come back later, and she will be all over you. Girls love what they can't have.

I disagree.

I think any who begins PUA gets extremely nervous for a while. I know I sure used to be. The nerves will go away when you realized there's nothing to fear.

Yea I guess its a good idea to overcomer your fear and work through the nervousness. My experiences have lead me to believe that if I am too nervous I creep the girl out.

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Hehe my old experiences basically showed me that you walk away whenever you feel like a chick's expecting too much from you, i.e. she is beginning to act like you're overstaying your welcome, or she begins getting more distracted, she's testing you subconsciously to see if you stick around and waste your time waiting for her attention like a desperate chump or if you walk away and play the whole room like a true natural MACK.

Of course if it's a bar scene, you can simply get the number and bounce. I learned early on that if you keep chatting too long in a bar after you get the number, then you just come off looking gay, i.e. "yes i got the number but I'm going to stick around as long as I can and talk about earrings and purses and where she got them and fish for random girly topics I don't care about with some chick I don't even know".

Just ask yourself, how will you know when to LEAVE if you have that needy mentality? Talking longer is not going to get you laid the same night. If it was going to happen, she'd already be down to go with you to another venue. Don't try to force attraction or seduction, it's not possible with force and you'll look like a major creeper and probably a criminal.

The problem with most guys is not that they can't generate rapport - it's that they dump in TOO MUCH rapport into their approach, and try to cling to the chick after getting the number.

Save the crazy rapport for later, just give a smooth DIRECT compliment opener like all the naturals can do (i.e. "Hey I just noticed you and I had to say hi. I'm usually not this forward, but you really caught my eye").

Then ask where she's from, chat up that thread for 30 seconds, then ask her if she's single.

Then get the number and bounce. That's the easy way, then afterwards you can phone sarge for rapport, she already knows you're interested, no need to belabor the point.

If you're in a big set with some friends on the other hand, chat for about 5 minutes, get the number, then chat about fun places in the area for like another minute and then say you've gotta bounce. With big sets, conversations can take a lot more funny twists and turns, your wingmen will probably add some spice for the girls' thoughts, so a longer sarge is okay. But again in natural game, the one rule of leaving is YOU WALK AWAY AS SOON AS YOU WANT! If you're not feeling a conversational vibe or the chicks are playing a game, shifting through sets, or just don't have the patience for a long sarge, then get the numbers and get busy jumping to other sets yourself!

REMEMBER: to a natural seducer there is NO SUCH THING as "during comfort". Those Mystery Method phases are good to learn basic textbook game, but in real life the dynamic is much more fluid. As a Natural, you must have fun conversations that combine both attraction AND comfort, and these can happen at any time, they do not have to extend 5 minutes after the number close or whatever certain guys claim. Comfort is NOT the absence of attraction, you need both, then you get charisma, which is the key to seduction. "Comfort" can be whenever you want it to be. As long as you're comfortable, 90% of the time she will be too. Even if you're not a natural yet, you have to act AS IF you are comfortable and a bit reckless in most every situation.

I've gotten laid without following any of those silly "rules", the only rule to follow is know yourself, and know whether you really have the patience to plow straight into rapport (and more importantly, whether the chick is in a receptive enough mood) or you're better off leaving right after the number close and continuing the sarge later.

Follow the maxim: ALWAYS look at least a bit busier and more exciting than the girls you mack. Leaving "too soon" is okay as long as you make a bold first impression. Lingering too long is NEVER okay, it's like pouring acid on the Mona Lisa while thinking its some kind of preservation fluid.