Only been into pickup for less than 6 months. Now I've realized some stuff. Why trying to pickup eventually doesn't get you to what you need.

After watching AFC Adam's video http://www.the21convention.com/2009/09/ ... t21c-2009/

And his friend Psych http://www.the21convention.com/2009/09/ ... t21c-2009/

Step 1 - Discover Pickup (Learn a bunch stuff)
Step 2 - Try everything but to no avail and realize that you just need to be normal, have friends, be confident and know how to escalate.
Step 3 - Undo (not literally) what you learned.

It's not exactly useless and you don't have to undo, a lot of the material is fun to use if you just let it fit the situation, it helps to have the knowledge. Thoughts?

To be honest pickup has helped me in certain aspects. I now know how to anticipate what girls might do in a situation.

However you will get maximum benefits if you try to work more in your inner game.

Lol I feel like I have gone through all of those same 3 steps. I have to give PUA credit, though. It got me thinking about changing things that I never would have changed before.

Yeah, there's still good material out there to use though.

I am going to expand on this slightly. This is based off my own experiences:

1) Discover Pickup. Start learning a bunch of stuff.
2) Try all kinds of things - and see awesome results almost immediately.
3) Hit a plateau. You reach a point where you don't need to push yourself as much. You relax and drop out of the game for a bit.
4) You try to get back in, but having been gone for so long, you don't see the same results. You keep trying to use canned material but to no avail.
5) You start looking for more meaning, to push beyond this new limit you've reached.
6) You discover the true essence of pickup - be normal, have friends, be confident and know how to escalate.
7) You discover that everything you learned in step 1) is just a "diluted" or "distilled" version of the true source of PU "power" - Confidence and Social Proof.
You need to unlearn a lot of what you learned, so that those same rules don't hold you back in the future.

PU is an amazing journey. You wonder about the route that many of us have to take to get to where we are today, compared to those for whom it has always come easily. But as the old adage goes, Where you are going, is not so important as how you get there.

Q.

Simply put, people learn a lot from PUA. But they just have the wrong foundations and intentions.

Like you said, they need to eventually realize it's not about being the coolest guy around who can fuck anyone he wants. It's about being happy as a normal dude with friends and a social life.

So without those goals, the rAFCs apply their knowledge all incorrectly until they begin to realize just like you and me.

Ironically, the AFC adam vid from the under21convention is what changed my direction as well. Good stuff. I love Adam.

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Looks like there is some problem with those videos. They aren't loading at my side. Are they still up?

Based on my personal experience so far, from what I've been reading on natural game, and from reading what most guys in the community have gone through, I've been noticing a pattern. And it's almost similar to what you guys are saying.

Hence, I would just like to reiterate what you guys have written, but from my own point of view. So basically:

1. A guy finds the seduction community.
2. Uses seduction techniques and methods. In the process he takes over the persona of someone else or multiple people whose stuff he is using.
3. Has some quick success with women. Has sex with them but he can't keep them around for long.
4. So he picks up more women, but is never really satisfied and starts sensing that women don't complete him or bring permanent happiness to his life.
5. Until by chance he finally has a realization that what brought him REAL success with women was his own unique personality enhanced by the seduction techniques/methods.
6. He also realizes that what brought him TRUE HAPPINESS was his PASSION for pickups (the process of improving himself) and other things outside of pickup.
7. So he finally gets it, that he has to be normal, be himself, have a better life outside of pickup, and use seduction techniques every now and then rather than relying solely on them to get him success with women and to be HAPPY in general.
8. So he starts to unlearn the seduction techniques and starts building a great life for himself which doesn't revolve around women or depends solely/majorly on women to bring him happiness.
9. Working on building and living such a life, makes his TRUE (fun/cool/interesting) personality shine, and as a side effect, women are now attracted to him just being himself and nothing else.
10. He finds out that he's having better relationships with women as he doesn't need them anymore to bring him basic happiness. Since his life already provides him with happiness and a sense of fulfillment. He has now become a truly non-needy and cool guy, who doesn't have to pretend to be one.
11. Hence, women feel free around him and love being with him. They like the genuine passionate independent purposeful man he is.

Your observations gentlemen have validated what I'm doing. I have already started building such a great life for myself. I feel more excited and alive than I have in years!

I'm happy I have this second option (cheat code?) available which will hopefully save me years of effort of learning and unlearning

Hey abs,

I get your point here. I used to be like that too. I hit a plateau, I meet more girls when I feel that particular girl doesn't make my life happy, but I don't know why, it still happens. Now this post has helped me to figure out why I didn't get happy after a lot of new girls. I found one that I'm happy with, but we broke apart because I used too much seduction techniques, while she's actually already attracted to me!! It broke the relationship apart and I hope that this could be a helping story for those who wants to build a happy relationship.

Cheers

Best pal,
Steven

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its really it, my friend..

but we must not forget that by this journey we end internalizing a lot of concepts, we learn a lot about ourselves, about women and people in general... some behaviours become second nature and this things are necessary to give birth to this person you have became

you know, until you know how you should feel confortable and with what, so I wouldnt diminish it to just this two things
its never so easy


what I find interesting, also, is that those who are low of spirit will probably stale at some point... cause you know, this is not just about women and fucking pussy, its about life

I know some pua said it, don't know who...

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Hey Steven,

Glad that you found my observations helpful. I would also like to add that the best way to be attractive to women is to follow your life purpose.

A man who knows his purpose in life and lives it every day; knows where he is going in life and women want to be with such a masculine man.

Since you are interested in building the core foundations, I would suggest you check out a book called "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida.

I also suggest you check out the free ebook "Seduction Community Sucks" available on this website: http://www.attractioninstitute.org/

These books helped a lot to open my mind and choose this direction of improvement.

BTW, is AFC Adam's video loading for anyone?