I think his method works great but only use the concept. Not the canned lines. MM is simply Mystery's natural game that he was able to put on paper. He is so smart that he annalized his own mind and came up with a step by step how his brain works. And people pay to get inside his head... If you follow the canned lines you will never be as good as him. Even Style says it in his book, that all their doing is making clones. A clone will never be as good as the original because they're always one step ahead and your left waiting for them to tell you what to say next. Build on the concepts that Mystery has blessed us with and start to work YOUR natural game.

I agree with you on this for the most part. I started out using Mystery Method using their canned lines to build my confidence. Then I started improvising my own lines while still using the general layout of the method. Then more and more started testing the waters mixing in other stuff. The flow of his natural game works pretty well for me at least.

The only thing I disagree with is that Mystery isn't the one who analyzed his game. It was actually done at Project Hollywood by some of the other guys there like Tyler Durden. Anyways, that's kind of trivial but still I know what you are getting at.

The idea of Attraction, Comfort, then Seduction is a good mental idea to get in your head. Just so long as you realize it doesn't have to be linear like this. For example, if you already have Comfort with a girl then add Attraction before you can get to Seduction. If you have Attraction then add Comfort. If you go from Attraction to Seduction quickly, go back and add Comfort before buyers remorse comes into play, etc.

Good post.

Jon

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Hey thanks for the reply. I should correct myself in saying not to use MM canned lines because some of them are priceless. I agree I like the flow of Mystery's game. It works and frankly girls seem more interested when your playing little games and routines with them.

The concepts in MM, although many are genius, are not his natural game.

For example throwing a girl a neg because it is tactically the right thing to do at that moment in the interaction is not natural. It would only be natural if she really did have lint on her top, shoes you don't like or whatever and you were just saying that because it came to your head at that moment.


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kowalski

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your so smart

Smart enough.


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kowalski

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You're wrong kowalski. Negging is natural to the naturals that the technique was learned from. Naturals do what unnaturals do they just don't think about it consciously that much.

I agree with Gerlach. Like many others, I started out with mystery method and didn't get crap results. The canned stuff hardly ever worked. I then switched to natural game and did much better. However, the ideas that Mystery came up with are great. He threw light on a previously invisible world.

I've met many many puas and I've never met a single one that got Mystery method and routines to work except one who is now an instructor and does natural game now. Most of them started out using Mystery Method though.

I agree driftwood. Both that Mystery's ideas threw a lot of light onto the murky concepts of attraction and seduction, and that naturals say things that could be classified as negs. I think the difference is in the motive.


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I agree driftwood. Both that Mystery's ideas threw a lot of light onto the murky concepts of attraction and seduction, and that naturals say things that could be classified as negs. I think the difference is in the motive.


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I feel like people misunderstand the Mystery Method and the used of canned routines. First off, routines are only training wheels and they give you an idea of what to say. Eventually after being in field for so long, you will know what to say/do at the specific time. This is called microcalibration. Microcalibration replaces the "routine stack." There are certain canned lines that you should use in every set (negs, FTC's, etc). I only use 3 routines in every set which are my DHV stories. I don't have a stack because I know what to do and when. When I get an IOI, I give her a compliance test and then IOI her back, or maybe even change it up and give her an IOD with an IOI at the end. I always use what's called as a calibrator at the end of my IOI's and IOD's. Example: You know at first I thought you looked like a total bitch (IOD) but you're not! That's the funny thing (IOI). You can get away with a lot if you use this technique. Can the girl logically get mad at me for calling her a bitch? No because I didn't call her a bitch. If I get an IOD, then I IOD her back and then DHV and compliance test her. Once you get good, you have this super power and know what to do and when. This is what routines are used for. They get you to this point.

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I've been studying differnt "methods" and adding it to my natural game and the results are getting better. I definitly see potential in the future. After reading alot of material, I noticed this is very similiar to sales technique. See I have a "natural" sales abilty. When I first became a trainer, i got 2 clients in my first week and had no idea on how to sell anything. Then i studied technique and sales skyrockets and I'm making almost double now.

Athletes have "natural' ability, yet the get coaches and trainers to enhance their skill.

I dont care how good someone is or think they are, learning technique will make you better everytime, no exception.

Confidence+technique=game

Mystery has become so socially savvy over many many years of experimentation and analysis that he can play his method naturally. However using canned lines is fine as long as u r able to fluff in a manner that is acceptable. Negging is a must but it is better to find something unique to neg about, build and expand on ur own ideas like style said, u dont become a football player by reading about the game

I totally agree, expecialy about "u dont become a football player by reading about the game" You can read it, but you gotta get out there and test it. And with practice you will get good, and notice what you've done right or wrong.

Thats how i see it and thats what has been improving my self and my game.