The whole idea that society has about how girls know whats up and how to get other girls? Girls are always like "I'm a girl, I would know"...NO THEY DONT! Yea it makes sense that girls would know how to attract other girls, but they really dont understand all the tricks and the dynamics of the whole thing. Girls will give you the most generic, AFC advice - "What should I say when a girl asks me how many girls i've fucked?" "Tell her the truth" Such bullshit, girls would never fuck a guy who uses the advice they give. Never. Then you ask a girl, Ok what should you say before you go in for the kiss or what to say to a girl as an opener? "haha umm idk" yea its cuz girls don't know the game like guys do. And when you try and tell people that girls don't know what they're talking about it sounds absurd, like just silly. But its really the truth. Society expects you to know how to attract girls, and they think girls know the game. Goddddddd

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i agree, but my opinion is:

let em believe theyre right

Why do you actually bother to think about this?:S

Of course they know what they like, just as you do. But getting them to admit it is a lot hard, just as it will be with you. I would rather advice you to stay out of a discussion like that.

- Exerio

I agree that they don't know what they like, but it's not their fault. It's because its mainly instinct for them, and they can't logically access their instincts. They cannot articulate 10,000 years of instincts, it's too automatic and unpredictable.
So when you ask them, they give you a logical answer. Basically what a woman would logically want in a man. But instincts and emotions are not logically at all.
So women are usually wrong in predicting how they would react in hypothetical situations because they don't take these variables into account.

i disagree...somewhat

it's true that you can't listen to the advice they give you

BUT, you can watch what they do and learn from that. for example my best friend is a girl and i have learned sooo fucking much just by watching the way she interacts in social situations. for example, my female best friend is so socially savvy that she talks to everyone, strangers on the street, employees at a store, and just makes it look really fun and enjoyable. girls are naturals, they have more game than all the mpua's and don't even know it.

i encourage everyone to hang out with an outgoing female friend. not to game her or to try to get in her pants but just observe how she handles social situations. this is what i do and my game has improved so much. it's like having your own personal instructor.

Actually girls in general are better at the game than guys are. As they do like half of the stuff already. I agree straight girls don't know how to pick up other girls, and a lot of times you shouldn't take their advice really. But if you ask a lesbain, listen to her as more than likely she will have good advice to give you.

Perhaps. It's an intriguing idea. Theoretically women would by default be "in" on all the instinctive sub-communication that women are so receptive to. They would theoretically also be hyper sensitive to all the subtlety that only a woman can perceive in a social situation. I wonder though, wouldn't they have difficulty articulating everything into a way that a man could understand and use. I mean wouldn't their advice be slightly skewed toward a woman's perspective on picking up chicks, rather than a mans.

The few lesbians I know rely heavily upon the fact that a woman is far more receptive to talking to another unknown woman, than an unknown man. They are by nature social creatures, so working their way in and out of groups is super easy for them. They don't seem to have the same fear of rejection that we do. They seem to go into the interaction with the mindset that, worse case scenario they have made a new friend. They are like leafs in the wind, they just go wherever the breeze takes them.

actually i think girls don't know what they really want and they're not that good at the game. BUT they have normally much more social intelligence. For a good looking girl it's not a problem to get a good looking boy. but a good looking boy still needs many social skills to really attract a woman for a long time. otherwise girls who aren't really pretty have really a problem xDDDD
i don't want to sound like i think girls have no problems or stuff, what i write is just a thought that is often in my mind...

I don't know about that. A lot of women out there are just as socially maladjusted as AFCs. They don't really understand their true value, they have huge self-esteem and self-image problems. They often attract negative mates into their lives and end up in destructive or unhappy/fulfilling relationships. From my experience most girls are just desperate to be with whatever superficially acceptable guy, that they will cling to almost anyone rather than be alone. And a lot of them go through a series of repetitively negative relationships, usually with very self-deprecating intent and results. They don't really game, rather they just flirt with whatever seemingly decent guy crosses their path (usually from their social circles).

Please note that I'm not claiming that all women are like this, but rather I've just notice a pattern of behavior among some of the women I've met.

Women and men want the same thing.

Men are historically more allowed to admit it.


Someone mentioned Lesbians above - I think for Lesbians & Gays, the social conditioning to overcome there is completely different - Its not 'Don't be a slut'. So, at least for the more level headed Homosexuals, they all seem to fuck like rabbits as a result. (At least, the one's I know seem to).

That is a very interesting point.

you can use this, btw

tell them about the theory of gaming (s&r, alpha, the ugly guy on the red carpet etc')

they'll take you for a guy who knows women.

I disagree very heavily.

Most girls when read material from a good PU source will agree with it... and vice versa Ihave learnt so much about women via girl-friends/lovers and close femlae friends.

I think the real problem is not "women don't know what they want"; they most certainly do, but to many women get confused between personal preference and "what women want".

Take everything DeAngelo tells you with about 10 pounds of salt. Some women will give good advice, others won't. Same with men.

It's all about going to those with credentials, and learning from them. I'm not prepared to write someone off if they want to give me dating advice and have those credentials just because she might be a woman.

I've heard women actually say they want fucked by powerful men. Were they lying? As pick-up artists, we know that statement of what they want is TRUE.

Some women will tell you straight out what they truly do want. It has ass to do with "millions of years of instinctual development that they have no understanding of themselves bla bla bla." Stop trying to make something so fucking simple sound "cool" and "complex" when it is not.

Another reason I do not like David DeAnushole.