Ok, so the story is I have heaps of AA but once I open (indirectly night game). Then when I am in the zone I am never sure how much DHV and how often/many negs I should throw.

I have been told on numerous occasions that I am 'as subtle as a brick thrown through a window with a note attached' (from both male and female friends, in fact I have used that in game and got a k close) and think this may be impacting my game with the HB 9-10s.

Also I don't use canned DHV as I do more than enough interesting things that girls want to qualify themselves against (19 year old entrepreneur, author, internationally published writer, I run an after school business course for kids around the 8-10 mark) But I think I use too much?

Then when negging I think I go too far, but I am not great at reading the target (this could be a lack of subtlety).

So my question is how much is too much, and how can I tell if i have hit that limit?

Thanks for reading this and thank you in advance for replies.

As for DHVs I personally don't like them. At least not what most people think a DVH looks like. It's in fact bragging. And when you brag you are showing that you don't have enough value without the "DVH spikes" (be it your super model ex-GF, your super car, your super job or whatever).

I use stories that show me as fun, often the one who gets embarassed in the end in some funny way. It shows the girls that I can be fun, can risk but am not trying to impress them by my story at all! This subcommunicates that I don't really care whether they like me or not, therefore I must have women in my life.

As for NEGs, well this is hard part. I always used to tease girls a lot and still do. But it took me some time to learn when it's too much. I ruined many good sets due to too much teasing (NEGing).

I use only playfull NEGs (teasing, making fun of girls etc), never trying to insult. I almost ALWYAS calibrate them with some sort of compliment or IOI.

If I do an IOI, then I counterweight it with a NEG.
Or if I use a NEG first, then I counterweight it with IOI of some sort. Let's say I hug the girl as I'm teasing her. It sends mixed signals but usually she won't get angry although she may pretend to.

If you are not very good at reading social cues, I'd suggest to steer away from NEGs completely. Or learn one, and use only that one, and learn to calibrate it with IOI/Compliment.

As IOI I usually use some kind of kino. I learned that this is an excellent way to prevent the girl from thinking you are trying to insult her. Cos' it never happens in life that we are trying to insult someone and in the same time are, say, hugging them, holding their hands etc..

For me KINO is the key to counterbalnace my NEGs.

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Have some empathy. Use as much negs as you would use on yourself.

DHVs: don't talk about yourself until you are asked. Don't try and impress a girl.

With DHV, I'd say don't come off right off with it, just some what subtle, but still present. I read a post about negs not too long ago, saying that if your gonna get laid, or there's any chance of it, chill with the negs.

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Most new guys shouldn't use negs. They tend to over do it. Less is more.

As for DHVs, for me, those come later. Attraction is always there. I'm not trying to convince her to like me. It just happens.

The only thing I focus on is getting to know her, what a great girl she is, escalating myt ass off, and how much better our lives just got by getting to know each other.

Ok where can i find all these meanings to abbreviations like DHV DVH etc etc...it Would help me alot.

thanks everyone I will take it all on board

also just search for the abbreviations? I saw a topic on it the other day in Newbie Questions (i think it was sticky too)