So been trying to mack this HB8 for a while. For about 3 weeks. Met her once in person through a mutual friend, briefly. Text back forth, cocky and funny. We have not had a day 2 since.

Situation

I invite her for dinner with mutual friend and her friend. I pick a day, shes free but her friend is not, so I decide, what the hell, lets try it solo.

Me: Lets just cut to the chase. Just you and I dinner Saturday.
HB8: Haha, you're just going to ditch everyone else?
Me: Shhh.. they'll understand.
HB8: Haha, so whats the occasion?
Me: Usually, when people get hungry, they go eat. During night time, this is called dinner
Me: So how about you get freshened up Saturday after work, look decent, and i'll come pick you. Aighttt
HB8: What if I just stay home like i already planned to? Yeah 'll do that. Aighttt
Me: Lmao. You sure play hard ball eh? Haha put away the guns, its just dinner.
Me: But if thats what you want, thats cool i'm sensitive like that. Call me when you ready.

Next morning. No response from her still....

What make you of this situation?

for me ...thats just flaking..AND a major shit test ! after she told you she wanted to stay home you should have said something like these 3 scenarios:

1. Cool! what a relief ! i can finally take that useful time off to spend it with that new girl i met at the coffee shop! (you appear to have a busy schedule AND a lot of women opportunities)

2. aww thats too bad i wanted to give you a box of chocolate with a bunch of roses, pay your dinner, then go to a movie, pay you a huge pop corn, dedicate you a song, give you a poem, buy you some jewelries, have babies, give you manicures.... (catch my drift here? you exagerate the fact that what she believed as a romantic dinner by sarcasticaly saying ,what you should know, what NOT to do in a date.)

3. ok then, have fun with the movie and chocolate ice cream! (self explainatory)

the goal is to reframe her refusal in your advantage!

if anyone else reads this, please rate

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Bahahaha. I like number 3. I should have thought of something like that. All I can do it just wait I guess.

if im succesfull with women... its mainly because of this pdf file (ITS IN FRENCH) it gives you multiple answers for a lot shit tests ! the more you read it , the more inner game you will have

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I am also from Canada haha. Cept my french is terrible, so thats no help for me here. But thanks for the link.

Would you say the situation is recoverable?

suuuure it is recoverable! just act you dont care if you dont talk to her...let her talk to you first


ps... which province do you live in?

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Haha. That was the plan of action. In the end, theres always other fish in the sea.

I'm here in Ontario. Don't want to give any details other that if you know what I mean...don't you ever feel a girl might stumble on your postings about her one day? Haha.

nah it will never happen ...even if it does its like you said theres plennnnnty of fish in the sea AHAHAH anyway another tip i might give you is if you are in the friend zone just date other women! she will notice the change in your behavior !

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Do you honestly think she cares about other women after turning this man just like that? 2nd point isnt great either. Trying to be sarcastic over a txt message is kinda like playing russian roulette. For sarcasm to work u actually need to change ur tone of voice. 3rd one is good not to say very good cos ur being indifferent which is the most important thing when it comes to girls like this.

Back to the topic. If you really want to ask her out u should give her a freeze out at first. I wouldnt send txt nr 2 without a reply before 24h have passed. There must be something uve talked about when u went out for the first time with ur friend. Try to use that to start a conversation. Make her feel bad for refusing to go out with u. Also trying to ask her out to do something different, more exciting than a dinner, could work. I mean dont make it look like ur asking her out for a date, just give her an opportunity to spend some time together that ur both going to enjoy.

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Maybe I should stick to the original idea of getting her to come out with her friend and our mutual friend?

Dinner with all four of us. When I say I met her briefly initially, I mean, BRIEFLY. Less than 5 minutes.

I think theres just not enough comfort built for her to come out with me alone and my aggressiveness made her stop me in my tracks.

Should I apologize?

I was thinking I'd text her 2 days after.

"Hey, I had a brief talk with Jeff (our friend) and he pointed out that perhaps I might have been a BITTTT aggressive. Wellll.... I can play nice if you will How about we stick to our original plan and all four of us set a date for dinner. "

Or should I wait it out? Still no reply. 24 hours have passed.

i personally think you came off too direct and needy..just my opinion

You've been texting back and forth too long, and you're the one always asking meet me, meet me. The longer that goes on for, the more she's gonna lose interest because you're always the one who's available and chasing. You have a few options.

1. CALL her. Calling is a good thing because it will break up the monotonous texting, and remind her that you're actually a pretty fun, interesting guy.

2. Make your first dates during the WEEK, for something like a drink (or something a little bit more interesting, like a wine tasting, tapas place, amazing hot chocolate, etc.) She'll have less on during weekday evenings, and it's less pressure to commit to one drink on a tuesday than an entire saturday night with you. What if you suck? She doesn't really know.

3. Invite her out to something that you're already going to with other friends. That way, if she turns up, great, if not, you're going anyway. It's lower pressure for her, and she can bring a friend or two, so if you suck, it won't be as awkward as a 1-on-1 date situation. This situation can work in your favour as you can be out with other girls, she brings her girlfriends, and suddenly you're the guy with 7 chicks with you at the club - massive preselection, increases her attraction for you.

Whichever one you choose, wait at least 2/3 days if not a week before doing it since the last time she flaked. This shows you're not needy and have other shit going on. If you keep asking her out again and again despite her continuing flaking, you're basically rewarding her for disrespecting you, making yourself look needy, and decreasing whatever attraction for you she had initially.

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heres what i see from your convo.

Me: Lets just cut to the chase. Just you and I dinner Saturday.
HB8: Haha, you're just going to ditch everyone else?

first FAILED. I don't know who "everyone else" is but I wouldn't admit to ditching a dam thing for her after only 3 weeks and a few brief convos.
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Me: Shhh.. they'll understand.
HB8: Haha, so whats the occasion?

2nd test FAILED

2nd chance to be interesting and a challenge to her. but based on your response we can all see she has already won the game. it was never even a challenge.
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what would i have done?

ditch the "just you and i". it should be more along the lines of "im going out saturday night, any plans? if not tag along with me"

never frame it was a date, but as you going out regardless, and her tagging along.
its much less pressure for them, they can see you are a fun guy, and dont sit at home stroking your dick all day.

also this way if she turns you down, you can easily neg her for being lame, a home body, tell her you mistook her for someone outgoing, cya , etc etc
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HB8: What if I just stay home like i already planned to? Yeah 'll do that. Aighttt
Me: Lmao. You sure play hard ball eh? Haha put away the guns, its just dinner.
Me: But if thats what you want, thats cool i'm sensitive like that. Call me when you ready.

holy shit that bitch is a spitfire lol.

but your still giving it away to easily. she was obviously mocking you so dont let that shit slide! she will never be ready because you're not ready to play at her level.

take it as a lesson and move on

look out for the spitfire chicks like that, they are the most fun but you have to get smart and be more of a dick.

Ajmn86, those are some very interesting things you pointed out that i didn't even realize. Especially the point on how i've only known her for three weeks and I was ditching.

But, originally, the dinner started by me telling her that I was going out for dinner with our mutual friend and I told her she should join us. And that she could bring her female friend that she had mentioned before that also knows my mutual friend. She agreed.

Unfortunately, the day I picked for all of us, her friend had work, which was true, but she was free. So I took a stab at seeing if she would just come out with me alone, to gauge her interest level at this point.

I personally think this scenario is still recoverable. haha, she is a spitfire, but maybe because I was being too cocky?

Again, maybe wait a week and respond with:

"Hey, I just watched this fire-breathing dragon rip up some guys guts. Reminded me of you. Haha, lets be civil, i'll play nice if you will Jeff and I are planning something again this week. Join us with Tiffany (her friend) if you like."

I know that first line isn't that great, perhaps anyone can think of something better?

Additional: I have spoken to her on the phone once before, it wasn't that bad at all. Except my phone game is terrible. It needs improvement, I'm not as clever on the phone.

thats perfect bro, the only thing imo

"Hey, I just watched this fire-breathing dragon rip up some guys guts. Reminded me of you. Haha"

Stop, i feel like everything after that was you chasing and SPAM to much at once. sit back, give her a chance to reply and demonstrate her interest level, then go from there.

inviting her out isn't such a bad thing, but don't do it all in one message.

maybe invite her the day off. call her when your on the way and just say "hey, whatcha doing?" "im headed out with so and so wanna tag along"

if not then say okay, "aight, you crossed my mind for a second so i thought i would see wht was up, but i gotta run, ttyl!"