I am in college and have no problem opening girls like in class etc. I smile a lot and am friendly because that's just who I am. I realized too late in high school that being nice to everyone doesn't get you very many results in the game. I only ever hooked up with one girl from my school while all the others were one nights stands at parties - girls I never continued to sarge. Highschool girls all respected me and were just friends, way too many in friendzone.

People say really good things about me, I'm not trying to be selfcentered but its true. I am a genuinely nice person, get along with most people and am easy to be with. That's why its simple for me to become friends with many girls, and hot ones too cause i'm not intimidated by them.

In college I've tried to use more negs and flirt and make suggestive funny comments with a big grin on my face but I still haven't gotten any results. I try really hard to stay out of "friendzone" but still feel like "mr Nice guy", who i was for four years in high school before I learned The Game, still shines through enough that girls really like me but never think of wanting to take it further.

What's the best way to get rid of "mr Nice Guy" ? It'll be the key to me starting to really become successful at the game!!

Honestly, I am good at a lot of aspects of gaming and have a pretty decent track record of hooking up with chicks. Its just I'm missing that one desirable quality to get to the hook point with girls where they will want to hook up.

When you're in college, canned material and outlined "game" doesn't apply. It's okay to be a nice guy, as long as you're also the things I'll mention a little later.

College "game" is all about having social proof, essentially.

Your goal is to be a social badass and meet everyone around you all the time.

You need to be preselected, because girls aren't hooking up with "randoms" in college. They're hooking up with 20% of the men who are in their social circles. You need to be in the "in-group." You get preselected by your value, status, and how you interact with the men on your campus. People aren't going to judge you by your words, but or you mindset, attitude, and vibe.

The four traits that you need to adopt in order to be successful in college are that of a FUN guy, a DOMINANT guy, a LEADER, and an EASYGOING guy.

If you want to read about this in detail there are a bunch of college game threads on the forum, or I highly recommend Conquer Your Campus.

TooLegit's advice is great. Social proof matters, and you can get it by gaming DUDES, which is pretty sweet.

There are a few reasons why guys end up in the friend zone a lot.

(i) KINO. I'd say this is the biggest one of all. If you don't make her comfortable by touching her in a friendly way, and then escalating to more sexual touching, then going for that kiss later on will be a big sudden jump. Kino is a way to bring you physically and emotionally closer, and it enables you to show your intentions and lead the interaction in a subtle, unspoken, almost unconscious way. DO IT.

(ii) Teasing / Breaking Rapport / Negging. Whatever you want to call it, and however you want to do it, you must have the balls to bust on a girl once in a while, call her out on shit, make fun of her, and generally treat her like a bratty kid who you're way cooler than. The reason we do this is not just about lowering her value or being a bit of a dick, it's to get her emotionally invested in the interaction, qualify herself, and try and win us over because we are CHALLENGING.

(iii) Conveying sexuality. There are so many levels and ways of doing this, from your body language and how you carry yourself, to your voice tonality and eye contact. The basic principle - how would you act around / talk to a girl you already fucked? If you hold seductive eye contact, talk a bit slower with a deeper voice, stand a little closer, and are comfortable talking about sexual topics openly, then there is already another conversation going on with non-verbal sub-communication, and it goes something along the lines of "I'm gonna be drenching those tits in cum in about an hour from now you dirty little slut you."

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Seems like you don't use enough kino. Kino is probably the biggest factor in pickup that decides whether your in the friend zone, or if your number closing an HB who wants your nuts. Try learning some kino routines

Like this one
1. I tell her that she smells good and ask what she is wearing. Then I lean in, brush her hair aside, and sniff her slowly, moving up from the shoulder to the ear. "Mmmm, that smells good. People don't pay enough attention to smell. But you'll notice how animals, before they mate, will always smell each other. Evolution has hard-wired us to respond to certain things. You are wired to respond when someone smells you."


2. "It's like when someone pulls the back of your hair. You'll notice how lions, when they mate, always bite and tug at the end of each other's mane, right here." (Since I'm shaved bald, I'll add here, "This is what I miss the most about not having hair"; if you have hair, say, "This is one of my favorite things".) Then I run my hand up the back of her neck and grab a fistful of hair at the roots and pull it, downwards. She says "Mmmm..." And I say "see."


3. Then I talk about how "No one knows this, but the most sensitive places on the body are places that are usually hidden from contact with the air, like the back of the elbow (touching it) and knee (touching it). Any place where your body bends, twists, or folds, there are millions of sensitive little nerve endings that release endorphins. Then I take her arm, bend it a little, and erotically bite the area on the opposite side of the elbow (that crease where it bends). She usually gets the chills, and I have her ratify how good it feels.
[Note for the less experienced: If you don't know how to erotically bite a girl, learn before you do this. You want to take a big chunk of skin -- not a little pinch! – and slowly and firmly slide your teeth together until they meet and release the skin. You may want to practice on your own elbow first.]


4. After, I say, "But do you know what the best thing in the world is?...A bite...right...here." And I point to the side of my neck. (Every now and then, I'll add, that "this has to do with the fact that it is where the jugular vein is most exposed, and since most sexual fantasies have to do with submission and vulnerability, it sends all the fantasy signals flying.") Then I'll expose my neck and say, "Bite me right here" as if I expect her to do it. Fifty percent of the time she will. If she doesn't, I just turn away calmly (punish), wait a few seconds, and then turn back and repeat, "Bite me right here." Usually she will.


5. Half the time, her bite is lame. If so, I correct her and say, "That's not how you bite. Come here." Then I give her a good bite on the neck and instruct her to "try again." This time, she ALWAYS does a great job.


6. Now you look her in the eye, smile mischievously/approvingly, and say, very slowly, "not bad." Then glance down at her mouth, back up at her eyes, and...yes...finally...you...may...if you want...and if she's ready...um...kiss!
Short Version: smell, grab hair, touch elbow, touch back of knee, bite elbow, bite my neck, bite her neck, triangular gazing, kiss.

-Style(Neil Strauss)


Good luck!

Shawoo's approach is amazing.
What I do is to look at her lips more than normally, while talking. You know the triangla that forms when woman look you first at your right eye then the left one and finally look you at your mouth. This is an IOI, she wants to kiss you. You should do it too.
While kino, why don't you loook at her jewelery, find an excuse to hold her hand longer. Discuss how you like it and that maybe you will buy her one if she proves she is cool

Dude, you're in college, join a club, any club. You have to become more socially active. That way you won't be the "random guy hitting on girls", but "that fun guy from that club that knows that guy and that girl and is in this activityblablabla" and so on.

Want to stop being the nice guy?

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Using this as a foundation and fusing it with PUA techniques, you'll be unstoppable. Not only will it kill the overly nice guy in you (it's okay to be nice, just not too nice) but it's like a case study in how to build and maintain a bulletproof frame.[/url]

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I'm in college myself, and building high social value is easily the most valuable part of game.

Often I find myself at parties where I know very few people (me and my wing usually crash random parties). I take a note from the the tried and true mm and open the first set on my left. It doesn't matter if its a group of guys, mixed set, or the three hottest girls in the room, I instantly start talking. If its a group of girls, I'll lock in as quickly as possible, but won't stick around in one place long. I'm there to be seen, not necessarily game them.

Keep moving around and make yourself "That Guy", the guy who, by the end of the night, has talked to everyone and everyone likes him. HB notice this, and when you approach you've already built rapport as a socially dynamic guy.

This makes opening in general much easier, if you have approach anxiety, and at bare minimum you've made some valuable contacts to find other parties. Usually though, you'll be able to close your target of choice if you play your cards right.

thanks guys,

It has been tough for me because I am in first year university part time, which means I am not in residence unlike thousands of other frosh. Residence provides the gift for most first years that they will instantly meet tons of people, and become friends/join a social group with the people on their floor and in their house etc. I did not experience this.

For me, I had to start from scratch to meet people since I'm living off campus, and it took a lot more effort. I play hockey competitively too which locks up almost every friday and saturday night.

[quote]College "game" is all about having social proof, essentially.

TooLegit, I totally agree, so thats why I have tried to meet as many people as possible and get to know them. It takes a lot of effort to go up to multiple people in every class but it looks good when Im on campus walking with a girl and say hi to 3 other hbs when they walk by. I have done pretty well getting both guys and girls' numbers. Have to always be proactive!

Thanks blondguy, I actually made it my goal in frosh week to sarge guys instead of girls because I knew it would be too hard to try to sarge all by myself with no wings. I definately do not do enough kino with girls. How should I do kino when I'm just talking to an hb in class or walking on campus? I never know what to do with that. I have been better at teasing and negging which has let girls know that I am not soft.

Shawoo, I read that in The Game by Neil Strauss too! It sounds great, just need to try it out at a party sometime.

So yeah, I agree social value is extremely key. I have made a solid amount of friends and accumulated a good amount of numbers too, but I feel I am at a huge disadvantage not being in residence like 90 % of the other kids in my year, and also the fact I am always busy for hockey.

My lack of getting tangible results may be because I hardly ever get the opportunity to be with my wings in a good social environment (party).

All of my sarges are done solo during the day, in class and on campus. I don't have any wings in my classes. So with that being the reality, I still don't know what to do in terms of being able to successfully get girls to come back to my apartment with me. It feels like all I have to work with is gaming girls in class/campus during the school week and trying to hook up dates for them to come back to my place. Going to bars/rez parties is simply a rarity due to my schedule.

So any thoughts on my specific situation?[/quote]

1. Light touches on the arm, shoulder, back of elbow, small of back. Just for a sec, when emphasising a point, laughing at a joke, directing her attention somewhere, etc. Try and do 3 small kino touches within 2-3 minutes of every interaction you ever have with every woman EVER.

2. Only if you think you are. If there are things you want to do, you will make time. Look at the wikipedia entry of James Franco the actor. Doesn't sound like he's complaining about "not enough time" does it?

3. If you do day game, then you don't need a wing!

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