She says: 'just simple, what do you want?'

How do you respond to this old cliched sh*t test??

Any ideas?

Same goes for 'why are you talking to me?', etc. etc.

k this is girl perspective: what i think i would like to hear back is something like, "i dont know i've not even thought about what i want, i just couldnt stop myself coming over and talking to you, you just have like an amazing 'aura'/magnetism/insert other intangible inexplicable thing that drew you to her in a hypnotic trance', and lets face it the fact that you are also exceptionally gorgeous is just an added bonus"...smile winningly here and offer to buy her a drink..."however now that i am here, and talking to you, what i would like to start by doing is buying you a drink, do you like champagne? you look like a girl who enjoys the best things in life.."

ariana, I truly do love your perspective and answer, it is very sweet indeed, and this may quite possibly work a large % of the time.

It does however fly directly in the face of my general attitude - and that is to either tell a girl either about how wonderful I am, or how terrible she is. Is it not showing far too much interest?

I do like it though... I suppose I could say it in a sarcastic tone... ?

She: "just simple, what do you want?"
you: "your friend over there "

LOL!

Ok, now more serious: can you give us more of the situation? Is it the first thing she says to you? From what I read it comes off like realy aggresive. With such responses, I would eject because that looks like a huge IOD. I would answer with something silly she won't expect. Can't think of a good answer right now. Basicly if she said it very irritated and you give a silly answer, there are chances she just rolles her eyes and walk away.

You can also try to be direct and say "I saw you having fun with your friends and you seemed cool and fun people, so I wanted to talk to you guys to get to know you (better)/ to meet fun people/ to have fun.
This one is maybe slightly easier. You can give silly answers like "cuz I need more recruits for the fashion police", or give a direct answer as with the other example.

You can also shit on her for having a bitch shield "hey, not so rude missy! Didn't your sweet ol' mom teach you to be polite?"

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my initial question wud be if your general attitude is working so well..what are you doing here?

however you make a fair point, it does depend on how it is delivered, depends on the girl really, and how 'sweet' (or otherwise) you perceive her to be....yes obv you dont want it to sound like you genuinely think she has a 'magnetic aura', that wud be totally naff, but since she asked such a dumb question, she deserves a suitably ridiculous response, its supposed to be humourous/witty and slightly flattering at the same time tho rather than 'sarcastic'

i guess what you say back depends largely on what you actually do want, and where you want the conversation to go next....?

you could alternatively turn her question round and ask her you were wondering to yourself what she wants, or to be more specific what would she like you to do to her??

or if you want to be more direct, then ask her does she really want to know, then if she says yes, tell her that later you want to get her panties off, lick her c**t, f**k her senseless and make her scream, but you'd settle right now for buying her a drink

Shyler, I seriously like the 'your friend over there' response... I would surely add something like '...because she seems so much nicer/smarter/funnier than you'

Also I was thinking something like 'I like giving to the community... I am a caring and sharing person, and I thought that I would give you the grand opportunity to talk to a badboy rockstar like me' in a cheeky joking fashion. Thoughts?

Ariana.... you are gold.

> my initial question wud be if your general attitude is working so well..what are you > doing here?

sigh... even Tiger Woods, Roger Federer etc. all need coaches. I don't claim to know it all, nor do I claim that anyone here is 100% right or wrong.

And I never realised that you could talk so dirty Ariana. Im impressed. Im sure there is more where that came from. eek.

I am not the type of person who would say that. I live with the principle that you should always leave her better than you found her. I would never insult a girl because she rejected me: that would only show frustration.
Ariana, I've read some posts of you, and many things you say is the opposite of what people try to teach to guys here.
First, you should never buy a drink for a girl you don't know or you just met. It's like you're trying to buy a girl. That is not only not classy but girls don't want to be bought. By doing it you also put her on a pedestal, something which is not done if you want a girl.

Secondly, the example given by ariana seems way too long and creepy. There is a PUA (Derek, or Cajun) who gave a similar (but better) direct example however. I've never tried it before, but in relation to this situation, you might want to say "In the end I realy would like to fuck you, but first I want to get to know you because you seemed cool and I wanted to know if I'm right".
It will show that you havge balls to say that, and if she accepts what you said, then you can keep on hitting on her because she accepted that you want to fuck her. It might even increase the chances of fucking her.
This might be an other possibility, it might work on some girls but others might find it very arrogant as well. It is never bad to be cocky funny as long as you are not acting overly arrogant. It has to be in a joking way.

You can also say something like "hey, I'm Harry Potter, I'm famous, everyone wants to talk to me! "

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Shyler I am not back peddling, but I had the feeling lately that I had been pushing the insulting/arrogant barriers a little bit. I would always try to do it in a joking tone (what is there to be so serious about anyway?).

I have actually been told off for the first time in my life recently (after dating PLENTY of women), for being far too insulting to a girl. The final straw for her was 'did all your ex boyfriends have to put up with THIS?'. Of course, I still managed a big kiss close and a second date subsequently, but I felt bad because I did kinda hurt her feelings there.

The rationale behind it all is concentrated PUA material. Basically, do what you can to neg and take her off her pedestal, and do what you can to DHV. But I am human and I do err. Having said that, if I must choose, I would rather err on the side of being insulting/arrogant than be on the side of wussy/zero confidence.

Ariana does make me laugh on some of her posts for sure, but I do wonder about the effectiveness of her advice in this particular case. Sure it goes against PUA principles, but I suppose it could work if you tried it in the right scenario with the right girl. Keeping that in mind, I can't see myself ever trying it personally. Maybe Ariana and I need to go out and do a bit of a field test on this one?

That doesn't sound like crossing barriers to me....

A neg of this quality will surely gain you more pussy than bitchslapping.

The truth is, negging will sometimes be the wrong approach on the wrong girl at the wrong time... If a girl just got dumped, this would be really inappropriate. If that happens, just move on. You could not have known.

Hey man no worries I'm not judging you, I just try to help you. I speak from my own experiences. I used to (and sometimes, still) neg alot, and I often came across as arrogant by girls. I would as well chose to be arrogant rather than weak, but it's not like if you're not arrogant that you can't be strong or having a strong personality. Therefor I try to not be arrogant, as arrogance and being too direct often destroys my game because girls often don't like it.

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1. WHEN did we get a girl on the forums?
2. NEVER buy a girl a drink (my exception is my really close friends that are dating my other friends that i bring with me to have fun and DHV me)
3. I DID like what ariana said about just being like "i dont know, i just wanted to talk to you, why is that a problem" attitude.
4. "Your friend" gold.

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This sounds like a line one of the brothers in A night at the Roxburry would have used... (not necessarily good)
Also, losers buy drinks (except for close friends as MeatLoaf said)

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If I get it right, the "what do you want?" was an aggressive reaction. I think the best thing to do is get her out of it by just saying something funny or unexpected. I would say something like "I want a serious relationship with you and your friend". It can be very tempting to start convincing her to accept your approach, so I don't really like the "I just wanted to talk to you" or "I saw you having fun with your friends" attitude.

if this girl was by herself and said this I'm guessing she wants nothing to do with you. if shes with other girls its just the same old bitch shield. you can learn how to over come that in pretty much any pick-up book.

If she was on her own I'd be pissed off with her general rudeness. Go up to any girl on the street and they'd never say something dick-headly like that. You don't want to look like a fool to the social surroundings by getting rejected there and then. GO FOR IT:

"what do you want?"

"Oh... you work here? I'd love a Piña Colada right now."

then just walk off and leave her in your dust trail of awesomeness.

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