in a nutshell....i started talking to this girl around feb. things were going well but went south after awhile because of me. anyways she told me to get lost lots of times and i did and somehow she always came back looking for me. This girl was engaged back in sept. so im sure she's still hurting, it was a 4yr relationship, it was no secret she had be trying to fix things with her exfiance but recently i found out that she was finally kicked to the curb by him. ever since we've started talking then transitioned into the "friends zone" we've never really gone more than 2 days w/o talking at all, and we've hungout a few times and its not as just "friends" little hugging and playing goes on. but here is where this get interesting....she tells everyone..including myself that she's single...and last week went on a date with some guy idk who he is...anways...yesterday was the last time she mentioned being single and that same day (yesterday 8/11/2010 lol) we were both getting back from lunch and she was being dropped off from lunch and gave the guy a peck on the lips...but she claims to be single. clearly she's set on us being friends because i've invited her out and she accepts...and that day before lunch was being really clingy..all up until that happened then she was avoiding me. my girl friend told me to play it off as nothing so i did and we're talking as nothing happend...im thinking she probably thinks i didnt see her. anways i kicked up my "kino" from one day to the next and i was only more confused....i'll give her a high five and she'll lock hands and follow through until our hands are down....even for "friends" you have to admit thats a little weird. Now i dont have a problem attacking a girl that has a guy....i just need to know what the next step would be...if there is a next step.......help! thanks

This sounds sorta like oneitis man. Forget her, there are tons of girls out there.

Take that in mind for a minute. She'll be a thorn in your side if you don't. Sounds like a challenge though so maybe we'll help you if you still want.

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its not oneitis...well it is but a different kind, because i still talk to other girls and flirt and im pretty close to closing the deal with other two girls. but im locked on this girl because she thinks she's the shit and i just want to bring her down from her high-horse, its a pride thing. She thinks she's stronger than she really is...we'll talk badass but it takes a little work to get her to go out somewhere w/ me because once you have that one on one interaction girls dont stand a chance...they're like sitting ducks haha I really want to take this girl down.....get her in check, just so she knows whats up, it is possible with a flawless game. so yea....i'd still like the help...THANKS

Sigh you're really not selling it for me. I hate helping guys who want to 'teach a girl a lesson' or are sarging a girl for 'pride.' It's all bs.

Still I've been in a similar situation and denied my oneitis. I know it's tough but let's see what we can do.

So here's where you stand: You've been rejected by her a bunch of times and placed in friend's zone. She's hurting and of course trying to maintain whatever friendships she has because of that vulnerability.

I'll put something out there, girls who are friends can hug and play and do whatever. I've go a friend who hugs me everytime we meet and before she leaves. She grabs my hand when she's talking. She'll laugh at all my jokes, we'll tease each other and all of that. The thing is we know we're friends. She's been placed in my friends zone and I'm in hers. We mutually agree to be friends. I could assume she's flirting with me and game her but she's a friend.

This girl seems like my friend. The best way to game a girl like this is to change something about yourself. It's a psychological thing. She has associated you and how you look and so on with a friend.

The trick here is to have some physical change so that her mindset breaks and you now have a chance to recreate her image of you. (Maybe you noticed a friend who shaved his head for the first time. He looks different and for a little while you feel like he's a little bit of a stranger. That's what it's based on. A little bit of psychology )

What I did is change my style. It's pretty much up to you.

Next is to do what you would do with any other girl. Invite her out to hang out with you and your friends. (What you're doing is creating a low pressure environment). She'll turn up if what you said is true. Ignore her for most of the night. Go have fun, meet some new people, hang out with some girls. Let her know you're an amazing fun guy who people love and chicks love to flirt with.

That step is to illustrate change of value so her mind can grasp it while it's still considering the fact that you're different.

Next is to open her differently. Change the entire way you would interact. Tease her. Neg her. Do some DHVs you wouldn't normally do. In the middle you fluff talk with her a little as well so that she remembers the comfort you have. All this can be done if she has someone there or not. Remember to kino. High fives, touch her shoulder, do a trust test etc.

Isolate. Do your thing. Kiss

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im going to take that advice...but just put my little twist on it. She reminds me A LOT of a friend of mine...they're both top knotch girls...like girls that they know they can have pretty much anyone. My friend told me to stop talking to her cold turkey. Normally this wouldnt work because she's just not going to have me around and shell get hit on my other guys, but the thing is i work with her, and she's forced to see/hear me all day everyday haha that's more powerful than any text game lol anyways i plan to blend my friends cold shoulder technique with your 'flirt with other girls' idea. And i know just the girl....she just happens to HATE a girl whom we work with..If it works great...if not...i'll have that girl she hates already set up...shes a HB too