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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:05 am 
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So here's the deal. I have let too many chances pass me by and it shouldn't be happening.

I approach women all the time. My approach game is down pat. I know this because I can tell when women are attracted to me at first and it is about 80% of the time. I'm not trying to brag or anything but I am getting tons of women that I can approach easily and successfully but then it comes to Mid Game and I let the opportunities pass me by.

The sole problem is that I never have much to talk about. I'm very strong headed and I never really have much to say to women or anyone. I am the kind of person where it takes awhile for me to get used to someone before I really open up to them. I am content with whatever I am doing at the time and don't care about what anyone else is doing as long as I am having fun. I know it sounds bad but that's how it is.

Now where I need help is talking to women. I feel that I mainly just lack good conversational skills. I usually feel that I don't have anything of interest to talk about which usually leaves the girls bored with me after 5 minutes.

Are there resources out there that you guys know about that could teach me how to have better conversational skills?

Or do you think I have something else that needs work?

Thanks ahead of time for the input guys.

Oh yeah and I also wanted to mention that people take the things I say very seriously all the time... I like to joke on people a lot and its usually what I resort to for Mid Game and I know this isn't good for the situation. It usually tells people I'm just an asshole.

Anyways thanks for the input.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:32 pm 
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So here's the deal. I have let too many chances pass me by and it shouldn't be happening.

I approach women all the time. My approach game is down pat. I know this because I can tell when women are attracted to me at first and it is about 80% of the time. I'm not trying to brag or anything but I am getting tons of women that I can approach easily and successfully but then it comes to Mid Game and I let the opportunities pass me by.

The sole problem is that I never have much to talk about. I'm very strong headed and I never really have much to say to women or anyone. I am the kind of person where it takes awhile for me to get used to someone before I really open up to them. I am content with whatever I am doing at the time and don't care about what anyone else is doing as long as I am having fun. I know it sounds bad but that's how it is.

Now where I need help is talking to women. I feel that I mainly just lack good conversational skills. I usually feel that I don't have anything of interest to talk about which usually leaves the girls bored with me after 5 minutes.

Are there resources out there that you guys know about that could teach me how to have better conversational skills?

Or do you think I have something else that needs work?

Thanks ahead of time for the input guys.

Oh yeah and I also wanted to mention that people take the things I say very seriously all the time... I like to joke on people a lot and its usually what I resort to for Mid Game and I know this isn't good for the situation. It usually tells people I'm just an asshole.

Anyways thanks for the input.

Conversations usually just flow and are spontaneous. But if your having a problem then you must be worrying about something. So try to relax, and forget about/ keep out of your mind the thing thats sticking you in the same spot.

Also, there are two gurus who I would suggest, firstly David X. His first rule for guys who aren't getting laid is: "Who cares about what she thinks?" Which is to say what she says also. Notice how you wrote, "It usually tells people I'm just an asshole". Did they tell you this, or did you just presume? So he recommends to get rid of the whole problem by realising that everyone else is just as worried about how their coming across as you. It's likely that they thought you were thinking that they were the asshole for laughing too much? Its possible. So you shouldn't care about what others think? Make sense?

Secondly, Juggler and charisma arts. I think he focuses on conversation techniques, and one of the points he makes is that if you have nothing to say, just look around at the environment and make a very open statement. eg/ "Love that guys t-shirt". Then wait, she will probaly continue by laughing or saying something.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:16 pm 
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If you don't come across as joking, it probably has to do something with voice projection and facial expression (or perhaps very tense body language). Remember that body language (56%) and voice tonality (37%) together determine 93% of the message you communicate. What you say is only 7%. Try taping yourself reading a book or even a newspaper and then try to correct yourself. Also, have a smile on your face if you make a joke. RSD focuses very much on the interaction.

Next up, always prepare to do 90% of the talking in the beginning. This can be whatever. Last time I opened a girl (forcing an AI), saying 'are you coming to this festival next saturday?'. Then, listen to what she says, relate to it ('you think it will be crowded? Yeah, so do I, but last time I was there it was real fun. I saw this and that band and they started crowdsurfing and....'). Voila, you're in.

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