Hey everyone, this year at the university im trying to approach more girls. My story is a bit complicated.
I know this girl from last year and havent seen her until now, I know she likes one of my best friends a lot. My friend had sex with her about 2 months ago and he doesnt want to talk to her o see her anymore (my buddy is an asshole with girls, yet he is the best natural pua i haver ever seen). My friend tells me to go for her and i might do so. She is around an 8.
At first she ignored me a bit until i went up to her and said "HI"! since then we sit together in some classes and she always says hi to me. We have also walked together to class and talked but our conversations are terrible!!! We only talk about school, grades,... it anoying, i want to transition to another level of conversation but we stay there and its like a geeks conversation where i get bored and for sure she gets bored also... Also i have noticed that im the one that does all the talking, she doesnt say much. The other day I met a friend of hers that is also in some of my classes and i usually talk to her like an hour before class. She does more talking than girl1 but still our conversations are boring. As u may see, English is not my first language and i struggle a bit with it, specially with girls.
I think im too serious or too mature, and our conversations are always serious. With girl1 i think i havent made her laugh yet but girl2 has. I know its a bit confusing but both girls are HB8 and im trying both to see what happens. I think ive connected better with girl2 but sometimes while talking she goes back to her book and seems she doesnt want to talk anymore. After class she leaves and doesnt say anything or waits for me...
I still havent started kinos, i will probably do it tomorrow if i have the chance...
thank you very much.
Last thing and very important is that i dont let girls see that i "like" them before they show it to me, i think that is my biggest problem. With girl2 i may see some transition to a friend, i can see while i talk to her that she might see me as a friend but never as a "mate"
PS: My PUA friend and I are extremely comptetitive, specially with grades, Gym and girls and with them he kicks my ass and obviously doesnt want to help me about it. Also, all the girls think he should be a model...

Your story tells me it's your inner game that needs work.
Get some of Hypnotica's stuff and do the exercises. The football walk works best for me. I do it every night so I wake up feeling full of confidence. It seems like your inner game not just because of your story but because of how you wrote it. You keep saying you "might" do something or start something. You need to be more assertive man!

Kino is a major aspect of interacting with a girl. Without kino you'll end up in the LJBF zone and I don't think you want that. A lot of us make a big deal out of kino but it's really not. I used to be afraid to touch a girl now I laugh at how I used to feel. You can start off kino by simply talking with your hands and being enthusiastic. When you're saying something interesting just touch her hand or shoulder or something. Trust me it's easy. You just need to get in the habit of talking with your hands. It's tough if you don't do it normally but it also makes you more interesting to talk to. I constantly have to remind myself to gesture because I'm not accustomed to it. Most of the time when I'm not gesturing etc I feel like the conversation is dragging along. Just get out there and touch them...

I saw you said you haven't made girl 1 laugh yet...I suggest you get Cocky Comedy and other conversation skills by david deangelo. It's a great program. He goes into the social aspect of laughter. It tells you that laughter is more a indication of status etc. There's some good concepts there that will definitely help you out. Use a funny opinion opener until then. You can start of serious and tell them you have something serious you wanna get their opinion on. Really build up the tension. Pause a second or 2 then break the tension with a silly question like "do you stand by your microwave and stop it as soon as it hits zero in order to stop the beeping?" or "do you floss before or after you brush your teeth?" etc. Think of one and use it!

Let loose and enjoy life. You can be mature and still have fun. Do some fun stuff so you have something to talk about. Life is there for us to live it and enjoy it you just have to try. I know it's tough man but you can do it! Let me know how it goes.

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Hey, so i forgot to mention but i texted girl1 to ask her a random question so she could see i changed my number. Then she texted me a few times asking me if we could do some homework together. I met her at the library and and we did the HW like in 3minutes and talked for at least 3 hours about everything. I told her a few of my stories and she was amazed, she even dropped her phone because it was anoying her while she was listening to my stories. I made her laugh a couple of times and did some kino (moving her hand to reach the papers under her arms).
It went good. In the end when we said goodbye, i held her shoulder and said "bye". She was like "Thank you so much and tahnk you for that good talk i enjoyed it" I just said "yeah, see u tomorrow" I didnt want to elevate her self value. She was sick, and i didnt want to force anything.
Yesterday she texted me like i have this infection and im takin antibiotics so that means soon i'll be ok! I dont know if she meant it in a reason of wanting to go out or not. I just replied like ohh not good.
And also last time i saw her, she said she was going home for the weekend so she couldnt do anything. This was without asking her anything. She just told me like that.
probably next weekend ill invite her over or something.
I dont know if her texts show interest or she just wants friendship.

Apart form that, tonight i went to a club and talked to a hot girl but forgot her name after 10min. When i went back she asked me what was her name and i forgot and she got pissed. and said "get lost, go away" i know she wanted something but i just forgot...
Then i danced in the high stage with another girl but when i got her arm to dance, she didnt really give it to me... so nothing happened there either...

do seem to be doing ok with this girl

work on your inner game - i'd guess that this girl is really into you so definately have it going on.

I'd take her some place where you can end up back at yours or hers. Tell her there is something you really want to do but haven't done it in a while and would she like to go there/do it with you

Something like

you: "Hey, I walked past this amazing ice cream shop the other day and I remember that I haven't haven't been for ice cream in so long. Do you like ice cream?"
her: "yes"
you: "what's you favourate flavor?"
her: "chocolate"
you: "well that was predictable, I thought you'd be a chocolate girl. Well should go. Are you free Saturday afternoon?"

etc etc

Then bounce her around a few places and end up at your place - escalate, smooth out and slow down your voice and go for the kiss