a brilliant post and exactly what i am looking for! been hanging out with this girl recently and although i think i am getting IOIs i do know she has a boyfriend, she said " hes doing well, most guys i get bored with after a couple of months!" so i am thinking if i work on this angle- being around each other so much (they work in same department) how great it must be, how it means they always get spend time together, and how special it must be able to do that with someone you love. (is this bit going to far?) maybe enforce the positive/negative idea by saying how hard i would find it in the same situation- ( probably throw in a few single woman buzz words freedom, independance, individuality) throw in a cheeky comment about her being to much of a distraction.. (hopefully get her to ask the question why doesnt he?).. then seeing how things are looking either close the same night or leave it for a few days before i attempt the close

ok guys so please advise, any thoughts, changes in technique, tips would be greatful.

i have to say (although it does feel wrong) it was quite a fun mental exercise working out how best to exploit the weaknesses in a relationship. does that make me evil?

It all depends on your morals. I've never gone for girls in relationships as they're hard enough without you being a distraction. Some people would say if their relationship is strong then she doesn't have a reason to cheat etc.etc.

I've always just ejected myself or just kept the line open in case she did ever become single, but I would never hit on her out of respect.

However, if you wish too, there are plenty of ways. You're doing well so far, but never trash her boyfriend. Create ideals that he has to live up too. I think you're playing a solid game at the moment.

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I've always found it interesting that people who have the knowledge to get any woman they want would feel the need to completely endanger someone else's relationship that they worked hard for.

Just go find five single chicks to fuck.

thanks for the advice man, normally i back off a girl as soon as i know she has a guy.
like you say its a respect thing but i am starting to realise that the saying "nice guys finish last" has some truth behind it.
so have decided to be alittle more ruthless and alot more alpha in my approach.

i appreciate your comment on this admblack,
the fact is i am still trying to get my game back, this girl has given me numerous IOIs so i figure why not?
it will be her choice if she responds and i wont push the matter so i figure if her consience can handle it mine can too.