I tried posting this on another forum, and I got a bunch of chumps telling me I was being a jerk. I don't care about that. I want some of you legitimately skilled men to provide advice.

I'm 30. Have a good career (doctorate level). Generally have my **** together. My game isn't amazing, but it's not shabby. I've tended to do long term monogamy with furious waves of hookups between.

So, here's my question.

When I was 4, I had two girlfriends. The prettier one moved. I haven't talked to her in 25 years. I friended her out of the blue (we hadn't talked since kids) on Facebook recently. She is cute, not hot. (So maybe a 6/7). Turns out, she got engaged a couple months ago to a beta schlub (you can tell by the guys pictures, career info, friends etc.) I know that sometimes the uglier guys who have game can get prettier girls - but I guarantee this guy has little to no game and there appears to be some type of weird "we're religious" vibe going on. (Her father is a reverend.) I'm much HV than this dude in regards to looks, career everything else. (Also, it looks like he's fat and has nasty teeth. I am in much better physical shape.)

I want this girl. I have no idea how to institute this type of a large scale heist, though. I have been running game for a few days and getting pretty decent responses from her

(Example:
Me: I'm sure you have an awesome boyfriend, so I should probably let you go. I'd hate to but in on him.
Her: You should stay. As long as you don't do anything crazy like fly in and try to stop my wedding although that would make a great story.)

Any ideas/tips/suggestions on how you'd sarge this? I kind of want the hook up by itself, but I'm also partially into it to see if I can get her to go ltr and end up with me rather than some beta chump.

Also I forgot to mention, the guy is on the west coast / she's on the east coast, as far as I can tell they never even lived in the same city together. It also doesn't appear to be a long term relationship (maybe a year or two at most.)

"Enjoy your last bit of freedom with me. Bar X @ X pm Thursday"

Karma is a bitch so be careful what you do or ask for. If you want her then man up and tell her. Show her why your better than her fiancee because im pretty sure she see's past everything your making an eye sore out of.

It sounds more like your on a jeolous rant because you think your more worthy than the guy she choosed

Like I said, I don't need morality/karma lectures. Being nice went by the board a while ago. I need advice for following this thread and landing this girl.

I'm not jealous in so much as I'm getting positive vibes and have decided to go down the non-gentlemanly road.

"Proving" you are better than another dude is dangerous territory for noobs. You are better off trying to pump and dump her because
I personally wouldn't want to exclusively date someone who would drop her husband-to-be purely on a sexual whim.

Agreed.

Although I don't recommend to mess with someone else's girl, I would use the straw man technique straw-man-technique-vt43374.html

" I had two girlfriends when I was 4." Lol. Bye.

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Yeh that's right dude. You want her so you have every fucking right to have her because you are so much better than her boyfriend. Fucking, up yourself cunt. No wonder you freaks go on your shooting sprees and end up hating women in the future because they don't give in or give you the time of fucking day anymore. With a fucking entitled attitude like that you deserve every shitty thing you fucking get.

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Once upon a time I banged engaged and married women on the reg. Now I've been engaged twice and broke both of them off twice because I caught them cheating. Karma comes full circle my friend. Not giving you a lesson in morals but a warning of karma. I'll never get engaged again or married because I really believe I'm too far in debt to karma to ever dig my way out.

Being a PUA isn't about nailing women for the hell of it or just for fun. It's about building yourself up and making lives of the women you game a little bit better than when you found them. Ruining a marriage isn't making anyones life better and isn't worth the shitty bragging points you're after. Ever think maybe theres a reason why even in the other forum people were against this? Maybe because it's a bad idea.

You're trying to ruin a relationship for a girl you claim is only a 6 or 7? This isn't game, this isn't alpha, this isn't high value behavior. This is either severe one-itis or a dick measuring contest, both of which are for betas.

1. Stop trying to break up an engagement. There's nothing badass or cool about it.
2. Stop putting yourself on a pedestal. she likes this guy for her own reasons. You think you're better than him, but your the one chasing a 6 or 7 for an ego boost instead of flirting with all the hot single ladies out there. Probably because you already have rapport with this girl and the thought of cold approaching is scary to you. Meanwhile, he's engaged. He wins, his dick is bigger, sorry.
3. The quote you posted is nowhere near an IOI big enough to suggest she's into you.

You're past the point of traditional sarging with this girl. If you really want her, be direct and spontaneous. Ask her what she'd do in the hypothetical scenario in which you interrupt her wedding. If she plays along, you're golden, and then you can just suggest that you don't wait until then to avoid the whole scene. 99% chance it won't work. Want a better option? Go meet some girls.