Hey, I'm new here. I don't really use these type of sites, but I've been talking with a girl in one of my classes and would appreciate input. She seemed lonely and alienated, so I tried to talk to her when I could. Our conversations weren't particularly involved yet I was "opening the door" for her for some time...Now, she recently (today) has begun noticeably talking to me more - she brings more to the conversations, responds more, laughs more, etc. What I want to do now is find a way to talk to her outside of class.

What do you guys think?

Hey man,

It's cool you're looking for advice here, this is a good spot!

1st, decide what your goal is with this girl. Is she girlfriend material, or do you just want to hook up?

She's obviously being friendly with you, but you don't want to get stuck in the friend zone. I know it's tough to escalate things physically in a classroom, so engage in a deep topic of conversation; what I mean is something she will have emotions about, such as a passion in a hobby. Do something like walk her to her next class while continuing the conversation. Then when you're about to leave, say, "Listen, I'd like to talk to you more about that! I'm swamped over the next couple of days, but I'll have a couple of free hours on friday and saturday." She will usually respond with one of two things:

1: Her phone number and/or day she is free.
2: She has a boyfriend, or is busy that weekend.

If she agrees to meet you, try to take her to a place like a park, or somewhere you can window shop. This will allow you to have conversation without all the noise of bars or clubs. If she says she wants to go to a bar or club, then by all means go! I just wouldn't invite a girl to a bar or club that I didn't meet in a bar or club, unless she brings it up.

The important thing to remember is you need to make your intentions with her clear, but do it subtly. She MUST NOT believe that you are just there to be her friend, but something more. There are some great examples of escalation in this forum on "day game." The rest is on you, bro.

Also, look at some of the topics on "building attraction". This material will give you much better chances that she will meet you.

It's nearly impossible to give you a "one hit wonder" that will work in your situation. Every girl is different. However, this should increase your chances.

I hope this helps!


-Ruggedized

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Thanks, Ruggedized. I appreciated your advice. I'm pretty advanced in all this stuff even though I'm completely new to this community. That's because I have a good background in real psychology. If anyone else wants to give some input, that'd be great too.

yet your asking about how to talk to her outside of class?

Ok, so first thing, did my reply answer your question? If not, feel free to be specific, because I have no idea how advanced your background is. Don't take offense, but usually if someone asks a question like this, I respond as though you are an AFC. Again, this is a great spot to get advice, but be sure to include how good your gaming skills are so we can tailor our responses to fit you better.

Happy hunting!

-Ruggedized

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your advice was good Ruggedized , some people just arnt ready to be helped due to their ego's

OK, I'll give you some background on me. I'm sort of an AFC, but at the same time not. I've never tried anything with a specific woman up until this point. So you can see why I'd be asking for advice as its my first time. But I'm doing good from what I can tell (body language, suddenly out of the blue wants to talk to me more). I think I'm at the stage where I'm building an attraction. I'm taking what you guys are saying and applying it into my overall gameplan after assessing it.

I just like to get more than one perspective on things. it has nothing to do with egotism.

All right,

I don't think you're building attraction with her yet, based on what you've told me. I think you've simply built comfort, and there is a significant difference!

Attraction has to be in place before comfort starts. The bad news is it is taking too long to progress.

This is where PUA material and methods help. It accentuates many of the desirable qualities without making you look like you're trying to impress her.

There are loads of posts on DHV here. You're the only one who knows how good your game is right now, because you're not being very specific with your level, ie. "I'm sort of an AFC, but at the same time not." If you will just be honest with yourself and on the forum, it will make it a lot easier for you to master some of these techniques. Either you are an AFC, or you're not. Ask yourself these questions: Do you have a lot of field experience, whether good or bad, using some of these methods? Are you getting the results you want when you go in field?

If your answer is no to either of these questions, you are an AFC. It's nothing to be ashamed of, because that's why we are here! We've all been there before. Just be honest, open, and truly identify yourself. This will make it much easier on yourself. From past experience, no one is really as complicated as you're making it sound, bro. I don't mean to come off as an asshole, but you need to stop overthinking your identity, and let yourself be helped if you need it. Otherwise, why are you here?


-Ruggedized

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"because comfort has to be in placer before attraction starts."

- you have that backwards.

Well, the reason for that is because I actually was trying to identify myself as accurately as possible. And that's that I'm not clueless about women at all but at the same time I don't have much experience due to being disconnected with my surroundings in general/not finding one that I've ever made a move on until recently. Hope that clears stuff up, I wasn't embarrassed.

So when a girl has comfort with you she will be able to talk to you about anything and feel that your a friend.

To avoid this you build attraction quick to see where you stand in her eyes.

If you did not build attraction quick you may have to consider building it all at once.

This would mean a solid game plan from the get go. You have to find out if she is DTF and then try to close right away.

You have to go for it so to speak. That is the only way.

At least that is my take.

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You're right, I do have that backwards. Edited.


-Ruggedized

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You see...you're saying you are advanced but you expect other perspectives than Ruggedized's. What else would you expect as an advice besides this? That advice is gold. You make her emotionally high and then you ask her out. It is just how it's done, there is little to no other way than that in this situation. Especially because you already know each other.

Just like everyone said, you have to act quickly before you're put in the friend-zone. And also just like everyone said, you're not yet building attraction, just comfort. If a girl is being friendly with you, it does not mean she's into you. She just opened her doors and now waits for you which path do you take...the wussy path to the friend-zone or the alpha path to the pussy.

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Very true. I can't think of a single other way that would give me better chances in that situation.


-Ruggedized

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