I don't even know how to answer this. You want a relationship, she says she sees you as a friend. I say you should not keep wasting your time on a woman who not only doesn't see you as a sexual option, but also who's personality and upbringing would only lead you down a toxic and broken relationship and your reply is "not everyone wants to get laid and move on".

Whatever man. Do what you want.

If your idea of happy relationship is being hidden from her family and spending 3+ years of your life not even having sex with a woman with whom you're supposedly "serious" with, by all means. I mean what's more serious that getting to second base 2.8 year in right?
Go ahead. Maybe by 2021 you'll get to meet her parents. But that's only after you spend another year or so trying to convince her you want to "escape the friendzone" and you're a manly man worth dating.

I mean it totally makes sense. Why not obsess over a conservative nutcase when there's plenty of normal, beautiful and socially apt women out there? It's only live a few several years you waste. Not like time is of any worth anyway.

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The safe state of abstaining from sexual relations.

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Im only 5 years older.......my parents have a 19 year difference....5 years is nothing.[/quote]

you are missing the point,5 years of difference is not the problem,her being 22 and still a virgin after 3 years of relationship is the problem,you trying to get her by chasing her is the problem,your entire mindset is the problem, I do not want a relationship right now...I want to make it clear we are friends"-you don't get it
Then whenever I send her flirty texts she "lol"s.-still don't get it
How do I know if she put me in the friendzone -if you have to ask,you"re in
She simply doesn't not see me as alpha/ romantically attracted?-no she doesn't
I will be patient and wait-that"s low
You should know that there are some people who save it for marriage-yea the insane one
it was hard to hold the NO contact-there is nothing to hold,just let go,see the problem with the way you think
but guess what I will be flexing on other girls-good idea
So I think I will stay in the friendzone (but show my manly sexual side letting her know I want to escape F.Z-creep

Thank You.....I understand where you are coming from...

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No. I will meet other girls on the side, since we are just friends, and maybe get into relationships with other girls (maybe you guys never read that part)

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Rainy day pussy....

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I noticed she does not send me snaps on snapchat anymore, but she did not block me.... as in I can still send her personal snaps (but the snapchat doesnt work on my old phone)

I feel like confronting her about "blocking me on snapchat" should I? or should I just comment "how come you never post on snapchat anymore?"

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Dude. Seriously, stop. Ok? Stop.

What are you doing?

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Hey, dude. I guess you just don't want to see it, but any chance you could have had was just smashed to bits on the beggining (didn't read the other topic you refer as pre-reading but there's plenty on info on this topic to reach that conclusion).

I've been there, in similar situations, like not wanting to see the reality of things, of how she doesn't want you. It's heartbreaking, I know. But the thing is, you need to move on and open up yourself to a world of girls that is out there. It's plenty of fun just looking at how hot girls are. And talk to them is even better.

I suggest you just let this one girl go, for the sake of your mental sanity, and get new girls friends. Believe me, the more girl frinds you have the happier you will feel. (and I'm only talking about friends here, in the beginning... forget about a girlfriend for now...) I guess this advice will serve for myself two (though, different situation), as girl friends are great to have. It's nice to have male friends, but when you have plans to hit the streets, depending on the place, sometimes it's nice to have feminine company.

Well, I hope you think about this and what the guys here have told you already beacause I'm certain it will be awesome for you! Best of luck!

P.S: I believe there are plenty of guys here who just want to learns this game stuff for "endgame purposes" (sex only), but I believe the majority of the users just want to know a thing or two for relationship purposes. I mean, it's nice to leran the game skill, as well as any other skill in life, but in the end only you will know what its utmost purpose will be. I believe that who masters this will have great chances for when they find they soul mate. But until then, let's just enjoy ourselves!

Thanks for your reply.

LIke I mentioned before, I decided to 1. keep her as a friend (although I still have some feelings) 2. Go in on her friends, and meet new girls on the side (which I already did)

3. Learn some solid Speed Seduction Patterns (which I have personally noticed does work in the past even though I suck at deliverying them)

4. Get over my super desperation somehow (that will be a new sticky point thread)

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Then learn to fucking stop kicking a dead horse and actually listen to the advice you're given.
Keeping her as a friend IS desperate. Because you secretly hope to still turn it around.
You secretly want to hit on her friends to make her want you.

You're not doing this because it's convenient. You're doing this because you're still trying to turn it around.

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It will only lengthen the prison sentence. Not everyone's attracted/attractive to everyone. But you're setting yourself up for unnecessary misery when you insist on hanging on to a person that has made her stance quite clear.
You are missing your shot at happiness every time you meet a compatible girl, but are too focused on your "friend" to realize it.

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3 year relationship without sex sounds like a lie even a hoop maybe / shit test or something

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