I sold this girl a car... I'm not usually one to shit where I eat but this one I had too... And now I'm stuck.

I sell cars and when I'm at work I don't usually think about pick up at all... but when an 18 year old hottie walks through the door... its go time. (I'm 23... so an 18 year old is usually my bread and butter)

I have spit SOLID game at this girl since I've met her. I sold her a car... She added me on Facebook the day after. Changed her relationship status to single. Shes given me every IOI I can think of. She posts shit on her Facebook from some tumblr website that I would believe only pertain to me. If I don't text her by 1 she will make up some random excuse to call me regarding her car. She said she "needed a ride cause she had no where to stay" on new years eve (she was at a friends house where other people were already sleeping... I told her stop making excuses to see me.) I ran a kiss close routine that I could tell BLEW HER FUCKING MIND.

All in all... Without question... Unless you are a complete RETARD... You can see that this girl likes me... Now. Heres my... "Problem" i guess you could say... I like this girl. No F close yet which is fine... I know she wont fuck til I'm her boyfriend... we discussed this already. Whatever. I wanna be her boyfriend anyways. So I sent her a text the other morning and said "XXX, you should be my girlfriend " and she sent back "oh yeah" I waited a while and said "ehhh maybe not. people might get jealous of how cute we look together... we would have to learn to fight em off. " she just sent a text back saying "hahahaha" and that was the end of that. she called me a few hours later saying she had a question about her car again and then started trailing off into personal stuff as always...

For the last 3 days I've ran all different types of push-pull routines and she STILL wont bite... The one I actually care about a relationship with is the hardest one to close! BAH!! what do i do?!

Someone help me out!!!

Just get her to meet up with you again. Take her out to do something, and at the end of the night, ask her to make it "official." Women love that word. Another good word is "exclusive." Then, don't fuck her that night, otherwise it looks like that's what you were after. If you want a relationship with her, then you don't need pua material at this point. I know you hinted at it in your text, but do it in person, seriously, and see how she responds. That is, if you've spent enough actual time with her.


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I've layed off gaming her for the most part now... The only thing I'm really doing is avoiding any type of DLV.. which you should do in life anyways lol why would i wanna make myself look like less?

I'll try getting her alone... would you say to SUGGEST we make it official or to ask "do you want to make things official?". i feel like asking her is a little AFCish... Telling her straight up how i feel seems much more alpha but again... its not about gaming anymore in comfort...

I mean, it all depends on how you two behave together. If you behave like boyfriend/girlfriend (ie calling her/texting all the time, always meeting up), then it's as easy as saying, "So I've been thinking, and I want you to be my girlfriend." If you don't behave that way, then try, "So what do you say we go on a date or two and see where things go?"

There's so many variables, that I couldn't possibly give you a cure-all without knowing every detail about the situation. Even then, it would be difficult. Only you really know if you're at a point where she would be open to the idea, or if you're stuck in the friend zone. It sounds like she's really into you because she calls you all the time about her car, and then gets into personal stuff. If you want to pm me with a detailed description, that's fine.


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if she is so into you, stop making this so hard, it is really simple, you invite her out to be alone, she either comes out or she doesn't, when she is alone, she either gives up compliance or she doesn't, try to get her alone and sleep with her, if she is into you she is into you, you don't have to trick her, she will want to make out and fool around, I love 18 year olds, but alot of them are attention whores, they flirt and seek validation to use guys and don't want to sleep with them, they do shit like text you to flirt, but will flake always, the general rule is, 3 flakes in a row and she is not interested, start ignoring her, set out the frame of the compliance you want to see, and if you don't get what you want, don't give her what she wants, don't let her use you to get rides and help with her car in exchange for flirting, you set out what you want, she delivers or she doesn't deliver, it is a simple fair exchange that is easy to lay out, sometimes it is hard to see when a girl likes you or is trying to use you for something when you are emotionally invested in the girl, but the more attached you get without getting to the bottom of it, the worse off in the end you will be and the more time you will waste on an attention vampire, it is simple, it is easy, ASK HER OUT, IF SHE FLAKES, GIVE IT 3 TIMES, IF SHE COMES OUT, ESCALATE, MAKE OUT, ISOLATE, CLOSE

GOOD LUCK

I'd just come right out and ask her. Don't break eye contact, look at her deeply, kiss her, look into her eyes again until she says yes. If not, move on.

orrrrrrrrrrrrrr freeze her out

You're human, DLVs are fine at this point. You're not picking her up anymore. You don't want to be "higher value" than a girl you really like, you want to be equals. Just be yourself and get honest.

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well here's what happened... she works at a restaurant. the other day after she got off work she called me and said she was eating after work. i told her i could go for a beer and i might come sit with her. she laughed and said okay and i said id let her know in a few minutes... 15 minutes went by and she texted me saying "soooo what are you doing then? " i texted her saying "you'll see me in a few minutes " i meet up with her. shes laughing and in a good mood so i just come straight out and say i want her to be my girlfriend... now its pretty obvious that this girl wanted to see me. wanted to hang out with me. and shes clearly interested in me. she kinda was giggling about it like she was excited but didn't know how to respond. im pretty good at threading convos so i would change subjects when ever i felt like it and bring it back up... same thing. 18 year old girl playing hard to get. wtf? im 23... didnt expect these "games" i guess... (no way is she better at pick up than me!!!! LOL) so i drink 2 beers and say i gotta go (i told her i had work in the morning so i couldn't stay long from the beginning.. used to using the false time constraints i guess even tho i actually like this girl) i figure the freeze out was good. I'm looking for compliance right now and shes NOT giving it too me. So as i wait for her to text me i get nothing. fine. whatever. i know she likes me. let her miss me is what im thinking........ now check this shit out.... i log onto Facebook the next day and it says "XXXXX is in a relationship with XXXXX". WHAT. THE. FUCK?! I had this girl in my world! Her head was so wrapped around my words its not even funny... I wouldn't consider it "good" game i ran on her but more "solid". What is the explanation to why some Gary is listed as her boyfriend now? AND I like this girl... I'm not going to chase some 18 year old tho... Do I call her out on it and try and run a good boyfriend destroyer or do i just drop her and move on to the next? I'm not at all "hung up" on this girl. I just like what she has to offer out of what I've seen so far... Help me out guys!

If she was as in to you as you proclaim then how come it has only been you that has suggested most things, and she is just laughing them off.

To me it seems like she is a social butterfly and has just used you for the company and socialization.

how old is this gary? maybe she liked the fact she could manipulate a man 5 years older than her.

forget about her forever, she is not interested, delete her number, delete every form of contact you have with her except keep her facebook but don't ever message her or call or text unless she does so first, don't sweat her in a relationship, just go meet other girls, if she texts or calls you, invite her out and go for a makeout if she comes and meets, try to get her alone and proceed to close, but don't put any more effort into this then you already have, the more you try at this point, the more you get mad, the more you try to get her, the more you dig yourself a big shit hole, meet other girls, don't pretend to do it to get this girl, don't try to game her anymore, just leave her alone forever, if she really wants you she will come to you, don't game her when she comes back, if you have other stuff to do or other plans, don't cancel them for her, re-schedule on your time, don't go meet her where she is at on her time, let her come to you, if she won't she is a big time waster, don't flirt with her be completely indifferent, if she baits you into flirting, just change the subject and be normal, if you get her alone just game her by making out, if she trys to find out what is wrong, the answer is what do you mean?, when she explains just say, no, I've just been busy with other stuff (please fucking make this statement true), when she asks you what, just say ''it's not important'' then have an excuse to go, let her keep working for it, don't make any effort at all, find new girls that want to put in effort to get with you, FORGET HER FOREVER

GOOD LUCK

forget about her forever, she is not interested, delete her number, delete every form of contact you have with her except keep her facebook but don't ever message her or call or text unless she does so first, don't sweat her in a relationship, just go meet other girls, if she texts or calls you, invite her out and go for a makeout if she comes and meets, try to get her alone and proceed to close, but don't put any more effort into this then you already have, the more you try at this point, the more you get mad, the more you try to get her, the more you dig yourself a big shit hole, meet other girls, don't pretend to do it to get this girl, don't try to game her anymore, just leave her alone forever, if she really wants you she will come to you, don't game her when she comes back, if you have other stuff to do or other plans, don't cancel them for her, re-schedule on your time, don't go meet her where she is at on her time, let her come to you, if she won't she is a big time waster, don't flirt with her be completely indifferent, if she baits you into flirting, just change the subject and be normal, if you get her alone just game her by making out, if she trys to find out what is wrong, the answer is what do you mean?, when she explains just say, no, I've just been busy with other stuff (please fucking make this statement true), when she asks you what, just say ''it's not important'' then have an excuse to go, let her keep working for it, don't make any effort at all, find new girls that want to put in effort to get with you, FORGET HER FOREVER

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I hear you on "just forget about her".. and like I said... Im not hung up on her. But since I AM pretty new to pick up I am trying to just see how far i can take things in every relationship. Its like a video game to me. Just need practice on each level for when it really DOES count. There are 7 billion people on this planet. 53% of which are women. Although there is the snowballs chance in hell... I HIGHLY doubt that the love of my life is some 18 year old girl that randomly walked into my office and I sold a car... Ive gotten enough pussy in my life to not get stuck on one of them. However... I dont want to just "forget" about her if I still have something to work with... (I k-closed 3 and number closed 2 this past weekend.. im still gaming other women... nice thing about her being 18 is she cant even think about coming with bahaha) I just dont know if I should freeze her out and wait until i see her again (she still has to come back into my dealership for a few things on the car and im "pretty" according to other people... once i look her in the eyes and start talking again i know i can run her mind...) or try and run a boyfriend destroyer...? My issue is I dont know how to run a boyfriend destroyer while I'm in comfort building vs attraction lol new situation....

you are going to do what you want, but what I suggested was to let her chase and forget about her, if she comes around you can still do this but you have to be more challenging, you can go about this how ever you want, but if you waste months ''pushing this to the limit'' you will realize telegraphing neediness, a need to get her, will only fuck you over and won't get you anything but some hugs and compliments

I don't even know why anyone in this thread suggested that you go through with this plan without sleeping with her first.

She still wanted to spend time with you, so you had a chance, that you blew by being too easy. The only way this should have gone down, was you sleeping with her for a few months under no certain label. Eventually her own insecurities would surface and she would ask you first. Then you could consider being her official boyfriend.

Also, facebook relationship statuses don't really mean anything. There are hundreds of examples to convince you, but I didn't believe it. That is until my friend A started sleeping with a girl from our social group. A month into the relationship, she starts a facebook relationship with a unlucky friend B who's been in the friendzone with her for all of highschool, and still is considering friend A is fucking her, while he gets nothing.