Hey guys this is my first post and I couldn't find a relevant thread/topic to post this under (sorry if there is one already-I know how annoying that can be).

The reason I'm writing this is to see what you guys think is the most effective way to kiss-close. These days I don't trouble opening but kiss closing I find more difficult, my pulls in the last month or so have really been girls initiating.

I think the reasons may be some of the following: 1) I am focusing to much on the group and don't really have a specific target in mind sometimes (i.e. I try too hard to get along with the group at the expense of my goal). 2) Maybe I am not phase-shifting etc.

Would love to know your guys' thoughts and/or experiences.
Many thanks,
Clae

How's your kino?

Good shout,

I'd say my kino is mediocre. I think I only start initiating light (mild- brief touch/stroke of back, hands or leg ) kino perhaps, say, about 3 mins into conversation when I'm near the target (so a similar amount of time has already gone into opening up the set). Would you say it would be best to initiate this kind of kino with my target virtually straight away, then progress into more intermediate kino with her in the stage where I was previously doing very mild kino?

Thanks for the quick reply also

Yeah... at least try some intense kino to see how it works for you. It's easier at clubs and such, but it may help to try this in day game too. Open with physical contact, though not necessarily on your target. Touch someone's shoulder to get their attention as you say your opener. Lots and lots of kino after the hook point. Try it on random sets first (this is also a big approach anxiety exercise) to get the hang of it a little. It's REALLY easy at house parties though.

Have a high level of kino with everyone as much as you can. It leaves you in a really good position through the whole sarge. Avoid thumb wrestling routines or whatever until you have a good grasp on natural kino (it comes quickly). Kiss closes just seem to present themselves obviously when your kino is really strong.