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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:30 pm 
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do you think a girl who is 20 can still be so naive and so very innocent she shows IOIs but doesn't mean it? agreeing to go for food (but then i had to cancel), allowing close contact (hand touching, hug), prolonged eye contact and lots of compliments?
iv never came across a girl so different


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:45 am 
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Hey man, not 100% sure about what you mean when you say giving IOIs but not meaning it yet if she is giving those indicators then phase shift and start showing her you like her for whatever reasons you do. When she starts getting the hint she will be a little more open with you and begin to invest. Try to learn some comfort building routines too so you can keep the flow going. Good Luck !

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:10 am 
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do you think a girl who is 20 can still be so naive and so very innocent she shows IOIs but doesn't mean it?
Do you realy believe thats being innocent? Idk your situation but acting like that could be actually considered very clever. Im pretty sure every1 has seen girls doing it just to take advantage of guys! I worked in the nightlife promoting/entertaining business for quite a long time, and let me tell you, i saw "the most innocent" girls getting VIP access, free drinks etc, and and then watching them telling their girlfriends about how dumb guys are by falling for the "innocent girl" strategy! I used to have a realy bad opinion about these girls until i became better at the game, rolling with girls, getting to understand how they think, and HONESTLY... some guys deserve it!
Many times i have rolled with a group of girls to nightclubs and guys would look at me with the "im gonna steel your girls and show you how its done" look ... and those would be the nights that i would be learning more about what not to do, just by looking at those guys "perform" ... and the best part: having drinks on them!You have no clue who "innocent" girls can be!
One of the girls i learned the most from, she would open sets, get every1 to interact, she would give IOIs to most guys and than ignore them just to confuse them... and when she would see that a guy was going into the "ok, i got no chance", she would trow him an IOI. Guys would tell her to meet them at such party and she would go "ok, im gonna see if i can bring a friend" ... and she would call me to go with her! Guys would send her the address and she would go "ahah, he actually sent me the address!" when she was miles away! I used to think "woowww... thats funked up!"... but those would be the nights i would have the most fun! I learned alot from her and from them too! Knowing what to do is as useful as knowing what not to do!
NOT saying that this is your case... but these things happen more often than what you think! Just in case you are dealing with one of those girls, this is how i got into her head: tell her "im partying at XZY place... you should pass by, its bumping!" ... chill with her there for 30 minutes and: "i will be right back... gonna go pick up a friend (and show up latter with another chick)" or have a friend telling her "he just left. he said he was gonna stop by XYZ to wish happy bday to a friend (and show up b4 the club closes, or not show up) or send the same "come to ZXY" to her and her close friends. When she noticed she wasnt as special to me as she thought, she started trying to win me over and gain my interest!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:00 pm 
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The point of IOIs are that they aren't consciously given. If she's givnig you IOIs, she's interested. Now, when you say "not mean it", I'm assuming you mean she's not ready to just jump in the sack with you. But that's not what an IOI is anyways. It just shows you that you have the green light to push whatever boundaries are in place a little further. Eventually, she'll get there.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:28 am 
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IOI's are IOI's. When she's giving them off, her frame is shaken. She's interested. Start going in with some hardcore kino and see how she reacts.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:40 am 
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IOI's are IOI's. When she's giving them off, her frame is shaken. She's interested. Start going in with some hardcore kino and see how she reacts.
So you guys think that a girl doesnt know how to consciously give indicators of interest to a guy just get his attention, and purposely give signs of attraction with no necessary intent of getting laid?! You guys think that all girls are innocent and that our game just happens to draw them into our bed uh? You guys think that every girl that you number close will be thinking about you all night long uh?! ... interesting!
... you guys might be surprised one day ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:36 am 
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The issue is just about every guy who is good with women (gurus, naturals on the forums) are in the club.

They claim that no woman is innocent, and that game works on every type of woman. They go after "easy" women, sexually free women and then think every woman operates like that. They think as long as the woman isn't a hardcore "I'm saving myself for marriage" type, they can be seduced into sex with traditional game.

I would love to see some of these gurus try to seduce some of the women I go after. I'm usually attracted to "innocent" types aka HB 6-7, the cute women with complex personalities "players" tend to ignore when chasing after drunk women with fake breasts in the club.

I highly doubt they would be able to crack these women, and I bet the very few times PUAs get denied, it's by these "innocent" women, in which PUAs then say "Oh, she's uptight, lets move on to someone looser" when they tried to game a chick who isn't comfortable being gamed, that must be "romanced" first as outside the community would call it.

I'm starting to think that these type of women, they can't be gotten by "game", you must either get them through social circle, or through actual romance, something PUAs have forgotten about.

But I guess I'll see as I get better, whether I'm right, or that every woman easily will fall to traditional game.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:04 am 
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I'm starting to think that these type of women, they can't be gotten by "game", you must either get them through social circle, or through actual romance, something PUAs have forgotten about.
I understand what you are trying to say, but i believe you are just suffering from what i call "the checklist syndrome". If you focus on method rather than fundamentals, you will end up screwing things up, specially with '"innocent" types aka HB 6-7'.
For example, Mystery Method states that you need to desqualify yourself from being a potential suitor using neg theory, BHRR, DHV spikes, etc... TO BE USED WITH HB10s! Dont just grab his material and start running a check list to make sure you are going through the A-C-S phases! CALLIBRATE!!! You need to alow yourself to adapt to the circumstance and your target! This is common sense! HB6-7 are not as comfortable being approached because they are not as used to be approached. They are not as confident or confortable, and they feel more intimidated by guys. Dont just "checklist" a method...Callibrate!!! Why use an atomic bomb to kill a bird if you will do just fine with a bb gun?!
Come on, if you tell an HB6 "what do you have going for you besides your looks?", or "my ex-girlfriend was a stripper", or whatever and you get rejected, that doesnt mean the method doesnt work... it means that you didnt understand the fundamentals of the method, otherwise you would know thats not how you treat a HB-6.
It seems like you are saying that the girls that you aim for are more innocent, looking for a nice guy, lack self confidence, etc... BUT that doesnt mean all HB-6 are looking for a romantic guy who says nice things! What you are saying is that you go for neurotic girls rated about 6 or 7.
I could develop on this, but instead, im just gonna tell you to look this up on youtube "Adam Lyons -- The World's #1 Dating Coach [Full]". This should give you a clear picture of what im talking about!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:22 pm 
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Thanks Bond, I see what you are saying, I'll give the vid a look over.


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