Anyone have tips on gaming boring girls, or girls that seem boring after attraction is built? For example, when you get past the opening and they're showing serious IOIs, how do you get past that hump with some girls that just don't have much to offer. Maybe some are shy, maybe some are nervous, and maybe some are so hot that they really don't need to lead fascinating lives for people to adore them.

Granted, I'm not losing sleep over them because I'd much prefer connect with someone that actually interests me. But, I also feel like I might be missing out on some really cool chicks that have a thick shell.

So, do you just dominate the conversation and keep talking until they warm up? Ask a lot of questions? Find anything they're interested in and act like it's the coolest shit on the planet? And, any specifics that you find ALL girls seem to get excited about?

Thanks for the help!

This is an interesting post because I think a lot of people (including myself) struggle with this.

I think "boring" is the wrong word. I think "intimidated" is probably better. There are a lot of decent ( HB6-8 ) low confidence and low self esteem girls out there who can be a lot of fun to play with, but they seem to have this super thick shell. I've learned that most of the time the shell is really a defense mechanism to mask their lack of confidence, but that doesn't mean they are a waste of time.

In fact I've had a few successes in my various attempts on these types of girls and some of them proved to be a lot of fun (and sometimes very submissive), so I think completely passing them up might be a mistake. On the other hand cracking that shell can seem like breaking INTO jail with a rusty spoon.

However working them in on the side while juggling better options can't hurt. It could probably easily result in a confidence lay to cover dry spells.

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dude. i had this problem last night. opened some girls . they showed king touched my hair ( i have long hair btw) and my shoulder they were interested but i ran out of shit to say because well they were looking at me and idk. they seemed cool but idk. i feel u on the whole shell defense problem

Exactly. This is no slight against girls, and I completely agree...Typically, the really hot ones have something to say. They are confident and typically lead more active/interesting lifestyles. Honestly, I feel like dealing with the boring HB9.5/10s are kind of a waste for me. Maybe some guys are just into looks, but I do know some genuinely boring, great-looking girls that aren't worth it.

BUT, the group I'm really interested in are the HB7/8s that are just kind of insecure or something. I have opened groups when they best looking girl was fun, and the less attractive friend had a chip on her shoulder.

I'm starting to think that these girls have the same problems that early PUAs have. When you first start PU, you might neg too hard or come off as cheesy or used ridiculously canned material. Similarly, I feel like the insecure friends may give the cold shoulder or seem disinterested because that's what some of the HB10s do.

Psychoanalysis aside, any ideas how to deal with this. Maybe just a straight up, genuine compliment is what they need?

Also, I'm not opposed to hearing how to deal with a boring HB10...it's not like I'm AGAINST closing those : )

I would straight up, in a friendly joking but still making a point tone tell them they are being boring, and the recommend you all go do something (assuming its a group). What you do can be anything anywhere, the more time you spend with them and the more things you do, the more they will open up, and show there more outgoing fun side. You gotta lead them to that side though

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One way you could try to get her out of that shell is by doing something like this:

Ask her an open ended question in which she will have 2 give more then a yes or no, or a personal opinion.

Then show approval of her responses and who she is.

Doing this repeatedly will likely make her comfortable expressing her self verbally, because you are responding positively to her responses.

I definitely agree with you octave you gotta lead them there. When this happens to me Ill break up the boring thread by saying something like "Hey I just had the greatest idea!" and take her hand and say "Come on Ill show you". Ill then take her down the street to a local park by my house and ask her "When was the last time you jumped off a swing?" You can take her anywhere so long as your creating some kind of meaningful memory. If she feels like being around you bypasses all the meaningless "getting to know eachother crap" and instead you are this guy who is spontaneous and alive she will remember you for years.

Some times Ill just turn up the music on my computer and take her hand and say "Dance with me" She'll at this point usually refuse and tell me how much of a clutz she is and Ill say something like "Cool, so am I so we'll both look ridiculous together". If you can attribute feelings of freedom and being alive with your presence then you have achieved something akin to magic. Especially if you can teach her along the way that being her goofy and playful self is not only acceptable but absolutely amazing then you have transcended what this game is, and have taught another human being what it means to live. This game isn't just about getting laid guys we can do amazing work here.

Maintain some care here though, don't egg her on to open up only to clown on her in a mean way. Tell her shes adorable when she does open up and she will continue. She will also love you for this.

Remember if she senses hesitation in you she will be unwilling to open up.

Thought I should follow-up with a thanks...Just k-closed an HB7.5 who was unbelievably shy. I found that having a strong frame was key. I figured that she's shy with everyone, and I would dominate the conversation and complement her when opening up. It worked like a charm, and I can tell that the comfort-building was sped up since she has so much trouble opening up with other guys that don't stick with it.

Great Help. Thanks, boys.

I think you are dead on with this. You gotta figure with all the society pressure for girls these days to be "perfect" or the guys they want will ignore them, you put a ton of pressure on them just by being willing to open them and show social value. Many of then resent that fact and react to it by just curling up in a spikey ball and shutting you down with the hope you will just give up and walk away and they can relax again.
I'd love others to chime in, but what I learned from the successes I have had is to just diffuse the negs with charm first, then get back to business. Anytime you have an HB9/10 with a couple of HB7/8s the 7/8's will be defensive the instant the 9/10 gets some attention. Why? because it happens every single time they go out and they are fucking sick of it. I can't say I blame them. I have a buddy who always sucks the attention out of every single girl we are with, and frankly it gets annoying as shit. It's not his fault, he's just better at the game than myself and other friends. Hate him for it? No. Get defensive - unfortunately.

So when you are clear you are dealing with what I call "half-backs" (just like socker, they aren't the goal keeper, and they aren't the full-backs (cock blockers) but they are the first line of defense keeping you from even getting past mid-field and closer to scoring). If you ignore a half-back, they usually become full-backs (hard core shut down). but if you dance around them a little, sometimes they can switch to offense and help you score.

Think about it like Law of Governing Dynamics from the movie "A beautiful mind". Hotest girl walks in, every goes for her. She doesn't want to pick and doesn't want to deal with it, and meanwhile all the other girls are pissed because "it happened again". So the solution is IGNORE the HB9/10 and spread attention evenly across the half-backs. Eventually they warm up and build your social value for you because you AREN'T ignoring them like they are used to.

But this is fundamental PUA stuff so I digress. Point being, treat the boring hard-shelled half-backs with kid gloves and usually they come around. Best example I can give from success is a girl who was always around my circle but no one ever talked to. She was kind of cold and imperssonal. Prob an HB7/8 depending on the day. So one day feeling bored with the usual stuff and particularly horny I looked over and said "self... there is a perfectly good chick who looks bored as hell" and went in.

Turned out she just wasn't into the bar/part scenes and just went to get out of the house. We ended up playing video games naked on her couch in between fucking for the rest of that weekend. It was short lived, but opportunity knocked and I knocked it's boots, and the boots were just fine. She also kind of oppend up after that and was much more fun generally. Just needed a good bell ringing to get the cobwebs out I guess.

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