I am in a Fraternity and we go out on events with lots of hot girls. However, it appears that many of the really hot girls are being stuck up (b/c they are constantly hit on) and even if u do break through a b-shield the friends come up and cock block.

The Greek system in all intertwined its not like going out clubbing with friends, if a person fucks up a set too badly they could be labeled as a "creeper" by the entire sorrority. Does anyone have any tips for gaming within a huge social circle (i.e a club filled with girls who all know and judge each other)? Another side question...on the dance floor what is the most effective way to get a dance from a girl you see on the floor? I dont get very far by simply walking up and grinding...maybe its my body language or something but i tend to get slightly better results when i walk up and have a small chat and get a little rapport. Is there anyother way on a loud dance floor where no one can hear each other? What would an expert do in the situation i described?

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Survival of the smoothest....

two words: Social Status.

Build up your leadership abilities within your frat. Your best to focus only on yourself. If you try with any of the women you will fuck up. But nothing wrong with that. You will just be a fuck up. I don't know if it's worth it or not. There is some guy named Britz something was in a frat and he has a ton of tips. See if you can search for his name.

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Walk Hard

Totally agree with magnum there. I went to boarding school and we had a sister boarding school and it is super easy to get a bad rep. At the same time it is easy to get a positive rep. I had a girlfriend for ages at that boarding school and then broke up. I had never done that well with the girls in the sister school but my ex, who was pretty awesome, talked me up a fair bit. Then i got lucky with a couple of hot chicks, no idea how really, and BANG i had a big rep. The boys started calling a positive nickname in front of the girls, leadership went up, and then it was easy to get girls.

Don't really understand a large part of it as I'm still learning but basically everybody talks, if the talk about you is bad you're done, if its good you're gold.

Get in tight with the boys. Show status, and power. And the girls will do the rest.

I think that'll all apply to a frat situation. Its a tad different but not a lot.

Chur

I say fuck them (frat) and NO im not bitter... I actually was apart of a frat it was cool, alot of given free girls, great parties and shit... but it was kind of a waste of money.. I could have done everything just the same without being in a greek group... I would rather do shit without greek groups approach same sorroity girls... its kind of stupid because after u get out of a greek group girls aren't a given... so you might as well do it without them...