I really need some help with midgame, at the moment im just using canned openers when i try openers to a girl and on the odd occasion that it works i get stuck trying to follow on from the opener.

Is there anything you can think of that could help me after the opener ?

Thanks in advance

Think of talking to girls the same way that you'd talk to a guy that you don't know. If you meet a guy in the club, you're not worried about the next thing you say to him, right? It should be the exact same way with any girl that you're talking to.

The biggest key in all communication is to LISTEN. Nobody honestly wants to hear what anyone else has to say...that's human nature. The secret to getting most girls is to let them do the majority of the talking...you can cut in with a "yeah", "I know what you mean", etc. to keep the convo flowing.

When they finally bring up something that you can relate to, that's when it's your turn to talk again. After you say your bit, be quiet and listen again.

I let girls carry 80% of the conversation and I have massive success. I will say almost NOTHING in the interaction and at the end of the night she'll tell all her friends how interesting I am. Did I really say anything interesting at all?

No sir, I just listen to her and because I do that, she deems me an interesting person. Funny how that works...but when you try hard, you come from a point of neediness that puts you on a pedestal. Girls don't want to be "wanted", they want to be TAKEN.

One of the main reasons I'm against canned openers is that if they do actually find your opener interesting, they're going to expect more and more interesting things from you. I tend to open with "Hi" or "I'm nomadicpua". They're not going to remember the first thing you said after a few minutes anyway...go in confident with good body language and eye contact and it honestly doesn't matter what you say to them.

Let her talk her way into your arms, your car, and your bed.

@nomadicpua: I find that if I am not able to run the conversation for the first 1-5 minutes I will lose the set. Are you talking about letting the girl(s) talk 80% of the time after you hook the set? Or are the these girls taking control right after the opener? If that is the case, I would love to hear some pointers on how you open with your body language, eye contact, etc.

In fact, it seems like I run the set from start until close. This actually might be a serious leak in my game. This might explain why I can hook, escalate, and then still lose it more often then I should.

Edit: Also, does it not get awkward if you stand there and wait for her to talk? This will happen to me early in set if I run out of things to say and try to let her lead.

You definitely want to "hook" the set a bit, but once you got it then let her in on the interaction, let her take over the majority of the verbal communication. Girls are naturally better at talking than guys anyway because they do it a hell of a lot more than we do. If you're talking the whole time then how much interest are you truly showing in the girl?

Have genuine interest in the girl in the interaction. If you try to carry it yourself, she'll get sick of it more times than not. Listen to what she says, pay attention to her subtle movements and voice tones, pay attention to everything! Do not quiz her...talk about things that generally interest you. If you're interested in what you're saying, she'll find it interesting. When she starts to open up to you, ACTUALLY LISTEN to her. Get out of your head...don't worry about the next thing that you're gonna say. Just let her talk and let the conversation flow naturally, just like you would with a friend.

I come in confident from the get-go. Confidence is the ultimate key. I KNOW in my head before I speak to her that she is MINE. I lock eye contact before I say a word. I will not under any circumstance look away before she does. That demonstrates to her that I'm not intimidated whatsoever. Body language is relaxed but confident. (check out "Code of the Natural" by Rob Brinded. It's a series of exercises that will literally help fix most body language issues subconsciously.)

I also make physical contact within the first 15 seconds of speaking to her, sometimes before I even say a word. Just put a hand on the arm or shoulder like she's already your girlfriend. This can be a bit tricky because if you're nervous or have doubts when you touch her, you're going to come off as awkward or creepy. If you do it like it's a natural thing, she'll comply most of the time. If she DOES push your hand off, back away, or gives any kind of resistance then just pull your hand back to yourself and continue with what you're saying. If you let it bother you, she will notice it. This could be one of many forms of shit tests...if your unscathed by it, then she'll notice that too. Big plus for you my man.

Self-confidence and 100% belief that I'm going to get the girl are the best things I have going for me in my opinion. That and the fact that I AM NOT AFRAID TO LOSE THE GIRL. I will listen and let her say what she feels and I will say what I feel. Sometimes it pays off big time, sometimes not. I get things physical and sexual-related as fast as possible. I let her know the reason I am talking to her...it's not because I want to know if David Bowie is hot...it's because I think she's sexy and I want to take her home with me.

You would be absolutely surprised how much stating your intent from the get-go will work to your advantage. I have taken home 9's and 10's from clubs within minutes of meeting them. I have literally been walking through a hallway at a club, a solid 9 was walking in the opposite direction...I grabbed her arm, turned her around going in the same direction as me and the interaction went something like this...

nomad: You're coming home with me.
hb9: What? I...uh...I don't even know...uh... (as we're walking towards the front door)
nomad: Doesn't matter, let's go. We're leaving.
hb9: But my friends, I...uh...they are...umm...who are you? (at the door now, still not stopping)
nomad: It's gonna be great. You will love it.
hb9: But..but...I...umm...this is crazy. I can't believe I'm doing this!
nomad: Believe it. (we're already going around the corner, just a few minutes to my place)

The rest of that story is absolutely hilarious, but irrelevant. Hell that interaction was probably irrelevant to things you want to know, but the bottom line is that it's not that hard. We kill ourselves because we're too much inside of our heads wondering what will and won't work. Just be fearless, go for it. Never be afraid to lose the girl...always know there's more out than enough out there for all of us.

I absolutely don't recommend that type of aggressiveness unless you absolutely know what you're doing. It does not always work...but if they don't say no, then it's a yes. I don't always approach with that much aggression, but when I do I probably have a 15% success rate of taking them home right away.

And lastly, back to your post...if you're talking about things you're generally interested in, you'll never run out of things to say. Just say the stuff because you want to say it, not because you want to impress her.

The girl is your equal...she's not better than you, nor are you better than her. You have no reason to try to impress her.

Hope some of this was helpful to you.

That was exactly the response i was hoping for. Thanks nomadicpua.