| Hey Guys,
I've been trying the Bait Hook Reel Release Rapport method with some girls, as well as being funny, and what not, but I'm not getting IOI's or getting the "feel" of attraction. I get them to laugh and thats it.
I only use one DHV routine per set.
For example
I open, do best friends test after I ask how they all know each other, talk about random interesting stuff (I'll note, its spontaneous, non-hitting, non-threatening) in order to build rapport with the group. I neg or disqualify myself from the target.
For example, "omg does she have an off button?"
if she touches me "hey hands off the merchandise" (I found that I really only get a touchback if she's a 9 or 10)
then if she touches me back "are you running a tab here?" and back into story/talk etc...
I then try to "push" her away, I can usually isolate her 75% of the time (i'm noticing and getting better as I'm starting to see patterns) , so once I isolate I continue talking to her, I'm fairly good at transitioning, and really my sets only fail if she's really shy or whatnot and won't speak or interact back, I usually just eject with "I got to go get back to my friends (look at cell phone) pleasure meeting you" then I leave.
Anyway after a few minutes of rapport building and finding commonalities, I DHV,
then I go into Bait Hook Reel Release Rapport
Here is an example that I have used recently.
YOU: What nationality are you?
HER: Scottish
YOU: Seriously? No WAY!!! The girl I had the biggest crush on in high school was Scottish! I can't even talk to you now.
You know that reminds me I have a scottish friend....off into story or something to build rapport with something I already know about the person...ie she has told me she likes to wakeboard and I tell a story about wakeboarding.
Anyway my sucess rate of getting the "feel" for the set enough to get IOI's and K-Close is about 1:25 right now - pretty shitty.
I'm just not getting the "vibe"
As for kino,
As soon as I have locked myself into the set, I do light kino, that usually is putting my hand on her shoulder, then pulling it off immediately, using elbows when I get a funny remark etc...
I will note I've never done it to the end, I usually either get the "feel" and kiss her before biting her arm, or I get a bad response from one of the phases, (i've never gotten a wtf, because I've got good body language and confidence, more of a look or a feel that "that was weird" so what I've been doing is testing for other IOI's, ie hand squeeze, or if she starts to warm up I move where I left off.)
I then move into Style's "Evolution Phase Shift"
1. Ask her what perfume she's wearing (smell her). Say:
Animals get their information about their mate by the
scent
2. Pull her hair (unless she's spent lots of time on her
hair)
3. Bite her arm (right at the "under elbow") (its long sleeve weather here, what do I do when she is wearing long sleeves and/or a jacket? just tell her about it or roll up her sleeve? any ideas what I can sub in for this?)
4. Have her bite your neck
5. Criticize her
6. You do it then kiss
my question to you guys is how do I make attract material stick better, any good suggestions for attract material? i tend to be Cocky/Funny in my approach - making them laugh with banter lines etc...
since you guys are helping me, I'll give some stuff that I found has worked in my successes.
You: Do you want to have an argument?
Her: No
You: Yes you do
- Have you been drinking again?
- You must've driven your parents crazy
- What kind of trouble have you been up to?
- Your last boyfriend must've hated that about you
- Are you at least rich?
- You're fucking up my Fung Shui (whenver she touches or moves your property)
- Stop undressing me with your eyes
- Don't get you hopes up. I'm not easy
I'm not that kind of guy.
I'm not gonna go back to your house to "[finger quotes] check out your stereo" or your "stamp collection" or whatever.
I need trust, comfort, and connection first. " Definitely will get a punch
You're either the coolest girl I've met in a long time, or you're a total weirdo, I can't tell. Probably a little bit of both. (Credit TD I think but not sure)
I can't remember where I got the above lines from, I've FT them so they work.
Umm I also use a lot of
"ok thats it this relationships over - you can keep the shoes"
then a "but wait what are we going to do with the kids? how about we stay together until their 18?"
so on and so forth.
A lesson on Number closing and Kiss Closing to get to that Day 2
I've found that the best way to get a day 2 through number close is usually after about 40 minutes of talking to them and building rapport and stuff. I've noticed in my situation that women have a higher probability of flaking if you spend anything less than that amount with them.
Kiss Closing -
On my successful KCs that have led to a day 2 and a FC. I've noticed a few patterns.
If your the makeout king - BAD!
I find that if you makeout and feel her up without FC that night, than she may get the idea you only want in her pants, and hence flake.
Girls can make out with several guys a night at a club and their obviously not going to make out sleep with them all
the best way to counter that is mention the idea that you'd stick around regardless.
For example "even if I didn't want to fuck you I'd still hang out with you"
You can use less vulgar stuff I know this one sounds AFC "yeah, even if we didn't kiss I still think your pretty cool" - something to that affect.
The other method that I've found works best, is after I number close, I talk to them for a bit, If I'm feeling the IOI's and attraction, I'll kiss them. if I kiss them on the lips (works best of course) I don't flat out make out with them, I lightly kiss them and then build more rapport, this I find helps convince them that you have something special and don't necessarily want to just fuck her - your the exception to the rule. Especially cause 99% of guys in the club will try to makeout with her if she kisses them.
I also mention the facts about social networking.
I tell them:
You know its interesting if you think about it, that we have so many choices in our lives, to meet new people, however when meeting someone new you will have so many choices, such as you can take a chance with someone you just met, or you can go with the certain - the people in your life you already know.
So we're going to half to get through this together.
If time permits, and I she wants a story, I heard Style's story online (forget where) but its called "100% perfect girl" I tell them that and it helps reinforce the above statement.
I then seed a actual plan "Saturday, meet at ______ at ______" she commits, its good.
I text them with text game (won't go into it here)
I've found I get a day 2, 70% of the time (I get attraction etc....)
*remember girls flake.....a lot
Anyway those are my sticking points and my words of wisdom, hope they help, and I'm just looking at trying to get my successes higher in the attraction phase.
I haven't noticed many patterns when I do get attraction other than their attracted to me
Thanks
The_Musterion
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