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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:17 pm 
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Just fyi, this is a rough draft of some stuff I'm working on, but I thought it might be interesting enough for some people to check out. If you have any feedback, I'm always very happy to hear it! :D

As David Deida points out, women are always about continuance and things not ending; whereas men are focused on bringing things to a conclusion, creating a situation in which things will somehow end. In relationships between people there are 2 possible conclusions; either one person submits to the other or the relationship ends. Due to the inherent nature of ongoing relationships of any nature between people, if one person submits in a situation, then another situation where one will have to submit to the other again in the future. The same person doesn’t have to always submit to the other, although complete submission of one party to the other is the true resolution of the situation because then the outcome of any situation will already be assured, which is the ultimate goal of the male desire to finalize things.

If one partner submits to the other completely and the dominant partner isn’t aware of their partner’s own wants and desires, then it is easy for the submissive partner to become resentful. If one partner resents the other, then if both people are well-adjusted, one will eventually end the relationship unless they are able to resolve the resentment. Open communication about each other’s thoughts and emotions is needed to ensure this doesn’t happen along the way or once dominance has been asserted.

In the alternative, from the start of the relationship there are continuous “test” situations that are initiated by one or both parties. Initially the female tends to present more of these situations than the male; so-called “shit tests” are incredibly common especially in bars and other mate-selecting arenas in life. In initial interactions women are prone to saying things with seemingly no correct response; the ability to recognize and use cunning to avoid these situations like a ninja is the invisible 3rd option that you must choose in order to pass the tests. Examples include girls asking you to buy them drinks, asking what you do for a living, telling you they have a boyfriend and various other things they say to blow-off weak competitors who are assumed to be inferior mates. That’s right, many of those girls don’t actually have boyfriends, or they could care less and will be fucking the guy who doesn’t back down as easily as you did.

Once past the initial tests meant to weed out the masses of lesser men a woman will begin to lower her defenses and open herself up to a man. From this point on, it is almost entirely the man’s responsibility for how the relationship will go by where he leads it, how far he pushes it and how fast. The feminine state is that of submission to the masculine (although it must be understood that men can be in the feminine, just as women can be in the masculine, although we will assume the man masculine and the woman feminine for ease of discussion) and when the man is given the role of the masculine in order to lead and determine where things will go, the woman decides how much she is willing to submit to the man. If the man pushes too far, too fast, or in a direction that the woman isn’t willing to go, then the woman then can stop submitting and allowing the man to lead.

In an established relationship partners will typically increase the amount of slack that they will give each other in order to remain within their boundaries and are more open about telling them their boundaries and forgiving any missteps. The more forgiving and understanding the relationship, the greater it’s chance for survival. In successful relationships partners gain an innate understanding of each other’s boundaries and learn not to continue pushing those boundaries once they have felt resistance, as well as being open when those incidents cause intense feelings in either partner. Due to the man still being in control of taking the lead of how far things are pushed, if he doesn’t find ways to discover where the boundaries are, he can easily find himself still pushing when he long ago should have dropped a subject. This is often caused by the masculine desire to continue pushing until a satisfying conclusion is reached, which if pursued will eventually end in the destruction of the relationship, as that is the only other true conclusion aside from complete submission.

It needs to be understood that this is about the masculine desire to bring things to conclusion and not any claim that relationships must conclude. The nature of relationships is that continuous relating is required for the ongoing existence of the relationship in harmony. This conflict between the masculine desire to bring things to a recognizable conclusion, to be sure of what answer will be given, what the outcome will be and the feminine desire to leave things unfinished and inconclusive is the struggle we must all face within ourselves. This is not something that we can fight or change within each other, or between us, this is not a battle of the sexes; this is the quest for interpersonal enlightenment that we are all a part of and that we have been confused into believing is actually a war against ourselves and each other.

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I found your post very interesting, specially the fact that men try always to find conlusions in every situation. And it just happend that I whent trough this situation, and I could use some advice. Hope you can help me on this.

my GF just broke with me almost a week after our first month of relationship, she works all days from 9 am to 9 , sometime 10 pm. at the beginin she was bottered and told me she wasn't feeling ok with the situation, that she feels like we werent in a relationship, we didn't date, we barely see each other, but then, when she broke with me, she toldme that at the beginin she thought that It was me the one who didn't love her as much as she did, but then she told me that she realized It was she the one who didn't love me the same way. somehow, she said, that within time the love became friendship, and she enjoyed more talking to me than the times we make out and all that stuff, my question is, how did that happened? perhaps I didn't put to much efford and relationship just got cold? or it just happened that she realy don't feel that connection in me? I just want to know what did I did wrong, and if there's anything I can do the get her back? thanks


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she said, that within time the love became friendship, and she enjoyed more talking to me than the times we make out and all that stuff, my question is, how did that happened? perhaps I didn't put to much efford and relationship just got cold? or it just happened that she realy don't feel that connection in me? I just want to know what did I did wrong, and if there's anything I can do the get her back? thanks
This happens sometimes. It has happened to most guys at some point and it's something you should try to learn from rather than to try and fix that situation in my opinion. Your girl just sounds super busy and like she doesn't have the time to invest in an emotional relationship of that level unless you make it truly exciting so that it feels like even your short time together is worth a lot.

I'm seeing a girl right now that I tend to only see about once a week, but I make every time we're together so exciting, passionate, caring, fun and just incredibly emotionally intense as I can so that we both feel like it's satisfying. If I only saw her once a week and we went out for a walk, had a meal, watched a movie and had sex, it would get old and not worth doing very quickly.

I think at first she thought you didn't feel as much for her because you weren't putting in the effort to make it worthwhile for her, then she realised she wasn't as into you because...you weren't putting the effort in to make it worthwhile for her. You might be able to get her going again, but you'd have to make things exciting, passionate and full of emotions that she's dying to feel. The only reason women want men is because men have the ability to lead women on exciting emotional roller coasters that take them up high and make them feel like they're flying or speeding along at 100 mph. If you make her feel like she's on public transit then you're on the friendship bus no the love roller coaster and Red Hot Chili Peppers didn't write a song about that one.

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Your case is interesting and again more proof to determine what it is that women want. Women do not seek friendship with a man. They have their girlfriends for that. Its easy to get caught in the trap though, because women will not objectively seek what they want. Because they do not know what they want. They just feel. And they are actually programmed to seek for what they DO NOT WANT, because this is how they test and filter for who wil mate with them and who will not.

Im seeing a girl for about 2 months now and so far it has been very exciting, passionate, emotional etc. I see her about once or twice a week and shes all over me each time. we had the talk the other day about where this is going, and we kinda both agreed we wnat a relationship.

but then, the very next day, since we had had this talk, we now spent more time talking on the phone, and unsurprisingly, it felt very boring, unexciting.

I could literally see exactly where the shift happens, and I quickly rectified it by pulling back to where i was before.

It still confuses me though, because my education taught me that your partner should be your best friend that you can trust fully etc etc. but unfortunately that appraoch does not get you laid half as much


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but then, the very next day, since we had had this talk, we now spent more time talking on the phone, and unsurprisingly, it felt very boring, unexciting.

I could literally see exactly where the shift happens, and I quickly rectified it by pulling back to where i was before.

It still confuses me though, because my education taught me that your partner should be your best friend that you can trust fully etc etc. but unfortunately that appraoch does not get you laid half as much
I found myself doing the same thing when the girl I'm seeing and I decided we had a serious connection and were going to have a semi-serious relationship. Just because things become more serious and intimate though doesn't mean I should act differently because that's what made her want to be more serious with me. So I treat her as if we're serious, I tell her intimate things, I treat her like my best friend and let her in on things that I tell very few people, but because I haven't changed my approach to how I treat her the feelings haven't changed and it doesn't get boring.

You can make your girl your best friend and have that crazy movie love and all that jazz, you just need to remain realistic and realise that neither of you want to spend every moment with each other or else there wouldn't be any anticipation and suspense. Really good relationships are like an addiction and half of what makes an addiction so intense and enjoyable are those periods when you're craving a fix and finally get it. You want your girl to feel like you're a drug she can't get enough of, but only in controlled doses or you'll lose your dramatic effect on her emotions because she'll get used to the chemicals her brain produces when you're around; just like building up a tolerance to anything else.

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You want your girl to feel like you're a drug she can't get enough of, but only in controlled doses or you'll lose your dramatic effect on her emotions because she'll get used to the chemicals her brain produces when you're around; just like building up a tolerance to anything else.
Then what do you make of "satisfied couples" who spend their entire lives together, seeing each other day after day with few or no long breaks in between?


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You can make your girl your best friend and have that crazy movie love and all that jazz, you just need to remain realistic and realise that neither of you want to spend every moment with each other or else there wouldn't be any anticipation and suspense. Really good relationships are like an addiction and half of what makes an addiction so intense and enjoyable are those periods when you're craving a fix and finally get it. You want your girl to feel like you're a drug she can't get enough of, but only in controlled doses or you'll lose your dramatic effect on her emotions because she'll get used to the chemicals her brain produces when you're around; just like building up a tolerance to anything else.
Wow, you couldn't say it any more right on, kudos to the reply.


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Then what do you make of "satisfied couples" who spend their entire lives together, seeing each other day after day with few or no long breaks in between?
both of them are cheating elsewhere for excitement, lol

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Then what do you make of "satisfied couples" who spend their entire lives together, seeing each other day after day with few or no long breaks in between?
both of them are cheating elsewhere for excitement, lol
That's often the case.

The divorce rate is around 50% and that doesn't say anything about all the relationships that end long before marriage, or the people have kids and don't get married. Most relationships don't turn into long lasting ones and the ones that do, a very small percentage are blissful all the time. The idea that most couples are truly happy is a myth perpetrated by movies and tv shows. Most couples that do end up happy and loving each other for most of their lives actually do engage in "cheating". So perhaps if more people agreed that it preserves relationships and the love that people share together, then more people would have sex outside their marriages and it would keep that spark alive.

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or better yet...not get married

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