I am so damn confused! In this whole pick-up stuff, we learn about the point of not trying and accepting rejection. But what about LOVE? If you want the girl back, do you keep on trying or what? In my situation, I left the girl for 2 months and came back. I had two choices when I came back for her. Either act chill and give her the space, or just go at it and do something crazy like lovers do. I acted chill and tried to give her the space, she was very tempted to get back with me but at the same time the past held her back. So one day I decided to go at it and kept texting her non-stop every second one night about how I love her and stuff and she blocked me saying "I'm not even reading your shit. Bye." I made some new screenames and texted her again, she kept blocking them. I said on one of them, "I love you so much, it's as if it's the irresistable desire of being irresistably desired." She then put that line up as her status.

Me and her have gone too far for me to just give her the space. I made her cry before, etc. Anyways, she's still ignoring me. I'm one of those "hot muscular models" that lots of girls find attractive want in all honesty. Recently she sent me a webcam request but I had to decline because I was busy. She first said, "Hi. Don't reply. Bye." Then sent the webcam request.

Right now I just keep on sending her messages (about 1 a day) that are charming and cocky/funny. I mean I KNOW she likes me, she keeps talking about me to her friends and stuff. I got her to react by getting her to make a new screename, she now rarely gets on her old one.

This was my most recent text to her: "wb to your old SN! weirdo/creeper/Angel I can't go all my life waiting to catch you between sns. god help the guy who really loves you. *french kisses Lydia against her own will* catch yeh later, deuces." She went offline back on her new screename. If she didn't care she wouldn't do that. I tried to make it charming while overdoing the insecurity to make it look smaller. Her friend who doesn't even know me told me she told him that I'm "weird".

To me...it sounds like she is confused...she wants you but those feelings of what may have happened in the past come back to haunt her afraid that you may do it again.

How old is she?
Is she generally mature in most serious situations, conversations?
What past relationship history does she have? I.e. If this has been done to her before by another guy, it may be another reason why she is hesitant with you.

Regardless, try not to push so hard...there is a fine line between showing your love for her and proving what legnths you will go to for her...but for us guys, we feel that after we do that...she should run back into our arms and thats not the case...women can be very in touch with their feelings...if it were that easy, she would be in your arms already, Right?

Tell her you love her and that you care and leave it at that...perhaps have a talk and really find out what is going through her mind (if you have already, disregard) only then will you know where you stand with her.

A good relationship should not require you to go to vast measures to prove yourself if she is trully in love...if there is doubt from either side, it will show, there will be hesitation, if there is hesitation, then it may just require work in intervals, you won't get everything back to where it was overnight...and if you are willing to take it slow, then by all means, go ahead but go in with the mindset that you can't change everything right away, you will make it worse if you are impatient.

Maybe something you don't want to hear but... assess you relationship with her, ask yourself and be truthful to you...you don't need to anwser here, but why did you make her cry, hurt her, why all the trouble for this one girl, is she the one you want to make a life with or is the pu$$y that good??? The last one is not a reason to keep her.

Only you can decide for you what you want out of this, no matter what someone tells you on the forum, only you will do what you want and that's exactly how it should be...but if anwsering these questions, you yourself have any doubts, maybe you should walk away and leave her be.

Remember, she may be one in a million...but there are also millions of others out there that can and maybe just rock your world...if you put forth the effort and it does not work out...you may resent yourself for not seeing it, trust your intuition and if you feel going for her is the right choice...go for her and I sincerly wish you the best!

When I went to great lengths that one night, she didn't believe me. It's been about 2 weeks and I'm going to say it to her again, hopefully the time will prove that I'm not lying.

Even the greatest alpha male example from Gone With The Wind has his AFC moments for the woman he loves.

I hope your persistence pays off bro...good luck!

Haha, I agree. Being a cocky, non reactive guy is great for getting laid. but you can't be like that all the time in a relationship.

Why would you identify with the greatest alpha male's afc moments ? It's like telling me even a great tennis player sometimes plays bad,so i'm gonna play bad today just like him.
First of all what you call "afc moments" are sincerity and openness,they are not afc at all.If you feel incomplete and say this in order to "convince" her to be with you,10.000 texts a night, now that's afc.There's a huge difference between what you do and what the protagonist does.Second,that is a movie,it's not real life.It's Hollywood cmon... Don't you realize that if a girl loves you,you don't have to spend weeks writing letters every night hoping you would convince her ?What if she would write love quotes to you ? Would you reject her ?
Switch the positions of you two(in your mind),and you'll notice you don't share the same feeling. aaa...wake up maybe ?

Great observation...I think you nailed it here!

Poet, I see what you mean, however she isn't responding because she probably wants me to feel bad. This is a situation where I was the stupid one and did something bad so now it came back to bite me in the ass. When I was being all chill when I came back for her and nonreactive, she would give me more attention and we'd talk. But since I confessed and opened myself up 100% to her, after what I DID to her in the past, she got all harsh with me. And if she really doesn't love me back then why oh why does she even react? She had 200 friends on her original screen name man, she made a new screen name just because of ME. And plus she told her friends about me who don't even know me saying that I'm all weird and stuff. I don't care what her impression is, I know I certainly made an impact to start off with.

The one thing that still makes me think that she loves me is her hesitation. She hesitated to block me on the first screen name I began to open myself on. She said she'll block me 3 times and texted "bye" to me a few times as well before blocking me 20 minutes later and telling me she's not even reading my "shit". Now that is some bullshit.

When I came back and we began to talk and stuff, she told me, "Leave me alone before you make me cry again."

Nyseto...these are the opinions we have to what you have mentioned to us...honestly, no matter what we say...you are going to do what you want to do...we can't stop you nor can we decide for you.

In the end, just accept you decision, go with it and if it doesn't work out the way you wanted it to...then you learned from it. Every situation is different, no doubt about it...it really can go either way...but from the looks of it...it seems like the road has been paved.

I was in the exact same situation before. Just ignore her for a good week, give her some space she probably wants it, and by making new screenames you're just giving her soo much attention. Just let her come to you, you tried your best now its her turn. I know its not that easy, but trust me that's the only thing that helped me when my ex wanted some space.
Good luck

I think I'll stop right now, my plan was two phases. Phase 1: I gave her a shit load of attention all at once for a few days when I opened myself up and that didn't go well at all. Phase 2: And then I gave her a load of attention a week later without her responding. Phase 1 was to just open myself up all the way, start with a huge impact. Then phase 2 was to further enforce that even after a week, I still love her so that she doesn't think that I just went crazy one night and that was it.

It's funny because when I came back for her 2 months later, I requested her on facebook. She ignored my request and accepted it later though. On her info tab, one of her emails was "lahvyou..@yahoo.com" because I have an accent and say it as "lahv." And then further down in her "about me" section there was this long paragraph about love and not realizing who you have until they're gone, etc. Then under her interests, one said, "The saddest thing in the world,is loving someone who no longer loves you ".

She deleted me from facebook long ago because I sent her too many notifications. Anyways I became friends with one of hers so I've been able to send her messages on facebook because friends of friends have more access to her profile privacy. I've sent her 17 messages so far since Dec. None have been responded to and surprisingly enough she hasn't blocked me on facebook.

Every (ex) girlfriend reacts...She's been attached emotionally to you in the recent past,of course she will react.
Why are you searching for her reactions ? What is there to search anymore ?You've been sincere,you told her your feelings plenty of times.Now let her think about it.
She needs to have her mind and emotions aligned ,do you think if you catch her in a moment of vulnerability you will "succeed" ? A wonderful reputation for her next boyfriend right ? Every bit of attention from her is misinterpreted,please note that.
Do whatever you want,like Eckhart Tolle says : every pain can eventually be used for the better

No, I know she thinks I'm weird because love made me go crazy so I pushed it. My point is that she *would* talk to her friends about me. I mean if a girl was crazy for me and I didn't care about her, I wouldn't go to all my friends and go on and on about her.

Plus, I asked her to give me one good reason why I should leave her alone. She said, "Because I just want you to leave me the fuck alone." I kept going, out of thin air she texted saying, "I have a boyfriend." Boyfriend my ass, her status was single on facebook after recently deleting me. Funny how she said that as the 2nd thing, it looks like she fabricated it, otherwise it would've been the first thing she'd tell me. I know this girl, she's not the type to really have a boyfriend in real life..we met over distance from different cities.

Update: Her pet is a chihuahua. I drew a chihuahua and sent it to her as a message on facebook yesterday titled, "My dick (dont look)" because when we first met she'd email me normal pictures of herself titled, "Naked pics" and so on...Surprisingly enough, she didn't block me on facebook yet. I've pranked her before where I sent her nasty pictures of pornography when we were having fun and all.

I've done a lot to this girl. When I came back she said, "your too much". And I have the slightest hope because of what I read from DeAngelo: The guy that puts the girl through the most emotions, etc. has high chances of her coming back. She's got a nail polish stain on her bed because of me (she told me she wrote my name over her nail polish on her nails and then cried, couldn't sleep all because I sent her a guitar song about love)



This girl has accepted a lot of things that I've done to her. She's bisexual and is one of those secretly perverted girls who said she had a "dick disorder"
and that she met one guy who sent her a pic of his dick (god knows if she's not lying about not asking him for it). We planned to meet this summer, our parents saw each other on webcam, etc. so it's pretty legit. I think all this impact on her is actually for the better good in the case of distance..it makes everything special. I don't think she'll ever forget.

EVERY girl likes attention mate...

IMO she is just using you for her ego... Always nice to know to have some person writing you love letters...


You should stop writing her immediately and get your life back on track. Please.

Did you tried the jealousy plot btw?

Oh hell yes. Many times. She used it against me first. One day in the beginning she was all like, "I'm sad because I did something I regret, you might get mad if I tell you." She told me she made out with her ex because she was high -.-. I was an idiot back in the day, so I reacted and obviously got mad. Turned out she was sick in bed instead. Anyways later after that I uploaded an icon of a hot girl my age and she texted me saying, "Cute." Then I uploaded an icon of a guy and girl kissing where the guy looks sort of like me and she got PISSED. Told her it was a fake, moved on. When I came back for her I made a fake facebook profile and named it Roxanne. Got in a relationship with her for my relationship status on facebook. She told me, "You still got that Roxanne chick." I told her we split (I actually did). I later told her it was a fake because I felt as if she would just think I'm a player (I mean I AM an extremely good looking guy from what I hear.) When she first saw me she said, "How can you not have a girlfriend?" Anyways a month back shortly after I came back for her and I sent her some new pics, she put her status up as, "Irritated of your damn face." I told her, "What do you mean, you said I was cute back then." She said, "That was when we liked each other" (she used WE..fishing for me to say that I like her). She then said.."You're not cute anymore. Or your body." Lol, she knows I flaunt my body a lot and many girls told me that whoever doesn't like my body is crazy. She's exaggerating, she just wants to piss me off, she knows I'm fine.

I got irritated one day when she said I was cute and said, "Hot is a better word". She said, "I don't tell guys they're hot because then they'll think they have me."

This girl is very...very...clever. She literally told me once that she always falls for the stuck up jerks and that she "needs a dumb bf". Shit, when we first met she told me, "To me the more they spend on you, the more they love you." Superficial much? Come on...

One more thing. In the process of getting her back a few weeks ago before she blocked me and all, I would keep on leaving. I put my status up as, "Pleasure to have met you, take care." I went offline. She then put her status up as, "Nobody even know you." Few mins. later she changed it to "I like how I miss you every time you're gone." (I was on invisible). A week later I tell her about the missing me when I'm gone thing and she tells me, "I never mentioned your name. Wtf, you think everything is about you." Then I said, "What about the nobody even know you part?" She then got quiet. One time I felt low and told her how I screwed up and stuff. She said, "Lol I forgive you." Then she said, "I still adore you Simon." Simon is just slang for sexy or something.

It just wouldn't work because whenever she was chill, I had a stick up my ass and vice versa. Plus, she hesitated many times, I know she's tempted to get back.

In the end I guess I should just go with the good old, "Girls don't say what they mean, and don't mean what they say." Or better yet as Casanova put it, "There is no honest woman with an uncorrupted heart whom a man is not sure of conquering by dint of gratitude. It is one of the surest and shortest means."

Lol, she told me 4 weeks ago, "You're the opposite of what I look for in a guy." Later than that she would continue to open up to me and stuff. We've just been through so much shit that it takes longer than usual to think of a new strategy.

She's been trying to act all mature ever since I came back because she knows the ball is in her court. And I'm not gonna lie, I gave her all the power. But screw it, I am tired of me and her always being a game, it was better to just go down the love-obsessed path so that in the end she won't think, "Oh...it was just some bullshit long distance relationship."

When I asked her a few weeks ago when she wants me to give up she responded, "I don't care." She avoided saying yes or no for a reason..give me a break. Whenever I snap back to reality, the girl is partially gaming me. Her friend who told me she told him I was "hella weird" told me that, "She ain't worth the chase bro. She's been on my tip too long." (Meaning irritating). The girl is somewhat childish, I think I agree with you guys, she'll come around. Sneaky little bastard still didn't even block me on facebook while secretly reading my messages and LOL she told me, "I didn't read any of them. I deleted them all." Obvious answer.

Truth is I love this girl and I'm pretty certain she does as well..it's just that me loving her gave her the opportunity to go into "game mode" with me but my head is still up my ass (emotionally speaking), might as well forget and wait. Shit, if I have phases when it's like "who cares anymore, back to game mode because I still like him/her" then I bet she's got the same thing.