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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:51 am 
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Ok, so apparently my girlfriend didn't get any of the text message that i sent her about the "dream guy incident". So when she called I told her kinda everything therein a nutshell. She told me that she was having a horrible day already and didn't want to deal with this on top of it all. She then hung up on me.

We then got in a huge arguement... everything from the past problems we have had (the hurtful comments she has made to me - how she has told me I'm not "manly" and how she thinks I handle things like a girl, and how she feels I suffocate her and stuff...) it all bottled up and tipped over the edge. I got pissed off and said that I am done if this continues.

(the other previous problems I have posted about can be found here:

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I dont deserve to be treated this way. I told her in a couple text messages


ME: "If you cant be mature about taking blame and seeing how what you said hurt me then maybe you aren't mature enough for this relationship"

I also said:

ME: "This isn't a game and you are fu**ing around with more than just your life here. I am not going to deal with this anymore... you were afraid that one day I'd just get tired of all your shit... that day is right f***ing now."

She told me she has "prepared herself for a breakup"

I told her:

ME: "prepared yourself, huh? Nice. Me as well. As much as it is stupid to have to do so. You can't seem to be a nice person for longer than 2 minutes and you are selfish and dont care how I feel. Good to know you have prepared yourself because if nothing changes VERY soon... like asap then bye bye. I don't need this, and it is nobody to blame but yourself babe."

That is all I said. End of convo. I then sent her a long ass message on myspace telling her everything that I feel and stuff. Here is a copy of it... but even if you don't read the letter... what do you think I should do from here? Freeze her out?? DId I do the right thing? I am just tired of all her hurtful things and drama with her. UGH. I love the girl and dont want to break up... but I don't know what to do. HELP!!!


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LETTER - OPTIONAL READING - JUST FOR A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND.
If you read the letter - please provide some advice about it as well... should I have said the things I did??
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Let me start this letter out with saying I love you. I want and hope that things can improve between us... but as of right now I don't know what to do... because I have so much weighing in on my mind. And this is everything written out for you - right here so you can understand.
This letter is WAY past due. And these are things that I have been wanting to say for a long time - but I can never talk with you and instead we end up arguing instead of just talking like normal couples should. If you do not read anything else in this - read the 5'th line(paragraph) up from the bottom (part that says **IMPORTANT**) - the second to last "section". It is important you read every part of this letter... but that line is probably the most important.
First off, I am not breaking up with you in this letter... I just need time to think about what I need.. because I am starting my Academy in a month and I do NOT want to have to deal
with all the drama and the issues we have while in the academy. I need all my
focus to be on the school and not worry about problems we are having.
I can't blow away my future in that way.
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We have had some amazing times together.
Going to Berkeley and drinking,
Going to the city countless times, and yelling funny shit out the windows.
Going to IKEA and shopping for our "condo".
Going on walks on your golf course.
Laying on the ground and staring up at the stars talking.
Holding hands and walking to places we have never been.
Talking about our futures and how we want each other to be a part of them.
Valentines day,
Spending the night at Stormies and sleeping together for the first time and literally "sleeping": haha.
Watching movies and holding eachother in our arms feeling our hearts beating.
You drooling on me and laughing about it.
Our countless laughs and amazing drives "do you think it fell off?"
So many memories it would take a long time to write them out. But point is... we had/have something amazing... however somehow, we got way off track from a loving and amazing couple which we were... to being mean and selfish.

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::::Now, to the real issues that could have been worked on so much earlier than this::::
First off let me start this out with the most recent turn of events with the whole "dream guy" thing. Reason it upset me so much is because of how jealous you are that your friend is dating this guy. You sounded very envious of her. You said "what are the chances of meeting a guy like that?"
- THANKS.. what am I?? A piece of shit?? A remark like that means that you really feel like he is a better guy than me. While he DOES have a career and is rich... I am just as much of a man and I have goals and dreams for myself too. I am going about achieving them too.. I am not just sitting around.
You made me feel like complete second class shit. You made me feel like I am second best to you and that you would prefer a guy like him. And I wish you could admit it - that you were jealous of her boyfriend and that is why you told me what you told me. And that hurts.
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Somehow we got the idea that it is OK to be mean and
say mean things without even caring. Verbal abuse. Then somehow you
expected me not to get mad or upset about those things we said.
Such as:
-How you told me that you complain about me and never brag about me anymore.
-How you think I am not much of a man.
-How you think I handle things like a girl.
-How you think I am a worthless human being for being where I am in life (even though I am becoming my dream and achieving my goal of becoming law enforcement).
-That I am a selfish person and only care about myself.
-That I am no better than your dad.
-That I am not your dream man.
-That I suffocate you by spending too much time with you.
-That I have no life.
-That I am a failure.
-That I over react to your obvious and blatant flirting to other guys then lying about it.
- that you think I am girly and that I am not a man at all. (FYI... hurtful thing to say to your boyfriend)
How can you expect me NOT to remember all the mean and hurtful things you have said??
Sure - I can forgive you for them... but I will never forget what you said.... I can even get over the fact that you said them to me... but expecting me not to feel different after every time you say mean things to me is ignorant. I feel like I can't even be myself. That I have to pretend to be someone I am not.
I feel like I have to walk on egg shells around you.. and I feel like anything I say or do will upset you and piss you off. That is NO way to be in a relationship... I should be able to just be ME and not worry about things.
You/and me... have turned our relationship into a broken fractured mirror of what it was originally. And it is sad that it has gotten here.
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The whole trust issue. I have given you all my trust back - after we had that talk about "suffocating". I have been a lot less concerned and A LOT more care-free about everything. Point is... you had ruined my trust in the beginning... I really don't care - because I knew you loved me and that you wouldn't cheat on me and if you did you would regret it. But still. You know the reasons behind why I had a hard time trusting you in the first place. You did that.
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I remember that when I used to say things like "I don't accept second class behavior from people, I don't accept liars, I don't accept people playing "games" with me, and that I don't like flakers"... you always used to say - well it's a good thing I wont ever do any of those. And when you DID do something.. you always apologized for hurting me or making me feel second class. But I never get any type of anything from you anymore.
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It basically all comes down to what I've been saying all along... that our communication needs to be worked on. That we need to be able to just TALK to eachother without jumping to eachother attacking eachother. We need to be able to TALK. If people handled every situation the way we do and never TALKED about anything - then the world would be a pretty fucked up place. You never seem to want to talk though... and for some reason always get heated and mad whenever I want to talk rationally and maturely like two adults.

Your and my communication goes a little something like this:

-I try to talk with you calmly about something that is bothering me/you/us.
You rage up and take offense to something I say.
-I get mad that you aren't just talking to me and COMMUNICATING with me.
You get mad and start arguing and saying "I don't even want to talk about it"
-Then we shut up and fight even more from moment to moment... and the
ISSUE NEVER GETS RESOLVED... so we have all these issues that never get
solved because you "don't feel like talking them out".
We end up fighting and getting all worked up and upset about something that could have been handled by a simple "talk".
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I know you have a lot of stress from school. I also know you have a lot of things that worry you. You might just be taking a lot of it out on me.... but I don't want to be the target of your built up stress. I will not judge you because of your stress - but I don't like being the target of your anger in life. I understand why you are angry and insecure about your own life and why you filter out your anger at me.. but I don't deserve that.
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***IMPORTANT PART***
Now, I don't know what is going to happen here... but either for future reference for US -OR- for future reference for your NEXT boyfriend... BE OPEN AND COMMUNICATE WITH HIM. Sit down - listen, talk to him... understand where he is coming from and try to listen. Work with him and solve problems. Don't laugh in his face or tell him to fuck off when he tries to talk to you. Don't hangup on him when there is something bothering him, and don't act like how he feels isn't important. IT IS. He is a human being and wants to be happy in the relationship just as much as you do. But unless you can communicate about the issues at hand - nothing will ever be solved and he will always feel like you don't care.
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Now, I know you don't think I am very "manly" but I am not afraid to choose a better path for myself. If I see that things are not improving and that things are not going to - then I will choose the path I deserve and get out. I am not afraid - because I am happy with my life and anything that happens will not affect me and I will not let something bring me down like that. I know there are people who care about me and that there will be people and someone in the future that care about me as well.
I want to work everything out with you and have things get better.... I honestly don't know if that is possible though.... I think you are just the type of person that would rather shut herself off rather than communicate and listen. That makes me sad.
I DO love you Rochelle. I love you a lot, but I also need to think what is best for myself. And I want what is best for myself to be what is best for US also.. but maybe that is just wishful thinking.
I have a lot on my mind and need some time to think everything over.

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Listen dude, this is what? The 4th post about these situations you have with your girlfriend having fights and you busting your cap and going rage mad on her about things she does to you or shit tests whe throws your way. I think you have sufficient advice in the other threads to work on your relationship / to do some inner work on yourself / to decide if she's the one for you. Making other threads expecting people to give advice and solving your issues won't help you more. It's time for you to do the work for yourself. And coincidently turning around to seek advice on every step you are making with your girlfriend might just be one of the things that is ripping your relation appart. Man up and do what is right. If you do everything doubting that you are doing the right thing then she will feel your doubt and your lack of strong values... whatever that decision may be, and again that might be one of the things driving her off and shit testing you like crazy. She feels you are not solid enough. Become more solid. Clear your path and make it firm. Clear your issues that make you over react. It's always coming back to this and always will until you fix it.

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You want to know why almost every post that replies to your situation ends with, dump her and never talk to her again?

It's because that is what you should do. This girl has very little respect for you. I mean shit bro that was a super long e-mail. What was the point of that? I did that too, but then I decided to stop blaming other people for the way I felt and took responsibilty for myself. I took responsibility for why I needed someone to treat me a certain way or why I felt the need to confront my girlfriend about it. It was all because of self-doubt and deep rooted insecurity that just never went away.

Maybe this is the same with you, but I'm sorry to say that you should let go of this relationship. I know you are focusing on the good, which maybe there is a lot of, but this girl seems like she is hurting you more then she is helping your life. She has basically insulted you by calling you not even a man. How could you still let her be a part of your life? Doesn't something about that comment strike you as incredibly rude, immature and disrespectful?

Wake up man, find a new girl. Better yet, don't find any girls and make yourself truly a better man. Spend every present moment contributing to making yourself better, more confident, more positive, in better shape, cleaner, faster, stronger. Everything. If she doesn't think you are a man then walk away from her. Just show her that you are a man and the first part about being a man is not needing shit from a woman, being totally self-fulfilled without anyone else validating your reality.


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Whenever a problem arises, you post it here and each thread relatively has the same content. You've made quite a few threads and received many responses, yet it doesn't seem like you effectively acted on any of the opinions/advice given.


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The stuff she said to you......... not the one get rid.

And when u "msg her in myspace" with all your past "good times" do u think shes loving reading it and remembering how amazing you are ? NO NO NO she sees it as weak!!! sorry but its true, theres times to bring up that stuff and after a arguement or when your on bad terms just makes you look weak man.

Act like you've got options, dont let her think shes in control and can click her fingers and you will come running, get it in her head that shes gona lose you if she keeps it up and your just gonna get another girl.

Its so easy to lose control in a relationship when it gets deep, but remember your pua laid back swagger was what attracted her to you in the first place, so when you lose it n become "needy" "suffocating" thats when she feels like your being like a bitch or a "girl" cos its like your the needy one that she has to take care of.

I might be wrong just speaking from experience


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Listen man first of all you need to chill out when you are talking to a women! you sound very AFC right now! you basicaly are crying like a child and being a bit of an asshole...dont get me wrong she is being a bitch but you should be the rock in the relationship and be the alpha male.

This is how things should have un folded:

She tells you about another man and says how amazing he is -

You should have simply asked why she is talking about her friends boyfriend so much? (Let her dig her own grave) and then droped it...

When she told you "its not your fault" -

You should have said "your right. In fact its not a fault at all I have alot to offer and if you are implying other wise then perhaps you would like to find another boyfriend?"

when you give an ultimatum -

Dont cry and pout you should be solid, firm, calm, and use few words. example:

"I dont feel like you have a whole lot of respect for me and at times I feel like you take me for granted. Im a good boyfriend and I care about you alot but I will not be in a relationship with somone who does not put me first and does not take my feelings into consideration."

If she calls you bluff and says you should break up or somthing along whose lines then rather then freaking out like a girl, stay calm, and simply say "I agree I think it would be a good idea if we broke up...I dont feel that you and I are on the same page and I need some time to think about what I want."

Boom end of story! you dont go on and on about your feelings because honestly she prob doesnt care and since she is a women rather then thinking with her brain she will be thinking with her emotions.

Give it a few days...even a couple weeks with out talking to her and let her calm down and realize that you were a god bf.

Always stay calm, always be the rock! always be mature! when I know im going to freak out and act childish I walk out of the room and I cool off...I then think about what I want to say and go back when Im ready.


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One other thing...It is very possible that she was shit testing you and she has been shit testing you all along. The more you loose your cool the more you fail the tests she throws at you.

You know why she told you about her friends boyfriend and then told you that you act like a girl and basicaly called youa pussy? Because she has no respect for you!

See many men think by yelling, throwing harsh SPAM at their girlfriends, and geting emotional will make them look alpha...really it does the opposite! You need to stay calm man! you need to be a rock! You need to be such a rock that when she gets in your face yelling at you from the top of her lounges you look her in the eyes and say "Lets sit down and talk about this."

See what Im saying? She will have alot more respect for somone who stands up to her then stoops to her level of yelling and name calling like a 9 year old.


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some quality advice here, so your saying it probably DLV if you talk about past times and funny things you did with each other or something like "remember when.. bla bla" "or don't you miss my cuddles?" that sort of shit lowers your value and they kind of want to see you don't actually care about that stuff?


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yes Rich, women only crave ur attention and "cuddles" when they dont get them. When your constantly reminding them of good times etc it will not work in your favour at all, just reminds them of where u were and what u have stooped to.

u need to show ur life will not fall apart without her and will get even better, this will be attractive n she will be running bk to u in no time.


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We then got in a huge arguement... everything from the past problems we have had (the hurtful comments she has made to me - how she has told me I'm not "manly" and how she thinks I handle things like a girl, and how she feels I suffocate her and stuff...) it all bottled up and tipped over the edge. I got pissed off and said that I am done if this continues.


dude only one thing i can say man the fuck up ........ seriously shes saying ur hadling things liek a girl . then u proberly are.... maybe she could have been nicer aout it but still the fact ur whining about her being oh so mean on a forum proves her point. its hard but realise a true alpha can have any girl and u have to keep them knoing that because if you dont she will do whats she is doing now ... hope that kinda helped

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