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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:21 am 
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Met this girl start of Jan. She's a med student like me, although she's quiet and reserved. On the 2nd date we made out and got LMR 3 times, backed off. Next date we fucked. I brought her as my date to a physician's gala that I was managing for my school. Things were well, we were facetiming everyday (she would initiate and would initiate texts frequently) and had fun w/ each other going out, having sex, meeting each others friends etc. Last week, she started to get more cold and distant with her texting and was unresponsiveness.

For Valentine's I made some gifts for her (not a big fan of buying stuff and I'm broke) and we were going to a shooting range. On the morning of, I get a text "What's the plan?" Which I thought was strange, since I told her on Thur. Told her and she came late to my place (range was closed), so we settled on staying in. I tried sexually escalating twice, however she was adamant that we weren't doing it. Strange, since I haven't had an issue since.

I then say "This week you seem really cold and distant, I'm concerned and want to know how what you're feeling" She then says that we have been moving extremely fast for her, and says that her past relationships always took months to develop, whereas we took only barely a month. She feels like she barely knows me and she wants to slow down. We ended up cuddling and talking for 4 hours about past relationships, stuff we've gone through, aspirations, dreams etc. She says she wants to get back to her normal self before she got infatuated, since she said that when she's infatuated that's not really her (which I'm finding hard to believe) and wants to take things from there. Before she left I playfully said "No Valentine's gifts for me?" And she responds seriously that she only does these kinds of things when she's in a serious relationship, which I proceed to say "Even though we aren't serious yet it didn't stop me from making things to show what you mean to me. I find it difficult to see effort from your part" She says thats her standard, apologizes and says she appreciates everything she did for me (then hugs me, oh what a consolation)

Fast forward to now, she has become less responsive, terse and less warm in her texts compared to the first month. I'm playfully engaging her in texts, but she just says haha or changes the topic. I'm starting to question whether or not if this is worth it to even continue, cause she said she'll show more effort (which I teased her by saying "Talk is cheap haha let's see")

We also talked about the status of the relationship and she asked "What's our status?", which I said "I'm ready to take things to the next level with you", to which she responds "I am too, but I still need to get to know you more, so I don't know..."

My birthday is in 2 weeks and I'm curious to see what she'll do. Should I even wait until my birthday or don't even bother given the red flags this past Valentine's day weekend? The last thing I want on my birthday is some half-planned thing or a "I only do these things in a serious relationship" shit again, since lately I feel she's becoming less available and not so into it anymore.


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Ok. Few things jumped out at me.

1) "Cold" and "distant" are evaluations (or assumptions) of the way someone's being towards you, you aren't in her head (but you're entirely stuck in yours) so stick to your felt-state rather than trying to mind read. If you define "cold" and "distant" to yourself, that will be a better place to work from when addressing a need to another. Evaluative words will almost always make a person defensive, not a great way to have a conversation about needs. For example, "cold" may mean she's responding less to your initiating contact - you can simply express that to her as an observation rather than evaluating what she's doing TO you.

2) it sounds as though she'd gotten a case of cold feet and had an 'oh shit' moment and pulled the e-brake up a bit. That's fine, you can't FORCE someone to be vulnerable with you, that's her process and you would be well served in respecting that IF in fact you want to pursue a relationship with this person.

3) NEVER do anything for someone out of any energy other than you would a gift. You made her something for V-day, that in no way obligates her to return the favour, sorry. Your expectations were out of line and you did it expecting something in return; how is that truly a gift?

She's being less responsive because you've made things heavy (declaring you want a relationship with her so soon, giving her the so-called gift which i can guarantee she felt had strings attached, and now I can already tell you're embarking upon a passive-aggressive game to see her next move.

All of these things are going to push her away and get you more of what you don't want.

My advice? Switch gears and invest back in yourself, its what makes a man attractive anyway. Women don't want to feel a guy is more invested in her than he is in himself, its a surefire way of killing attraction. Also, investing in yourself means you are checking-in less with her and gives an air of intrigue and mystery to you. Now you're being predictable and most women have seen this pattern with various guys over their dating careers. You're falling into that mold, so hopefully u'll heed my advice before you slip down the proverbial rabbit hole.

Lastly, be aware that NOBODY is responsible for your happiness or salvation, rather, a relationship provides you with an opportunity to become more CONSCIOUS. Whatever crap you have dormant in you, when you're involved with another, all that stuff will come-up. Its your choice whether you choose to numb yourself and become more unconscious, or use the opportunity to practice presence and become a more self-aware person.


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Ok. Few things jumped out at me.

1) "Cold" and "distant" are evaluations (or assumptions) of the way someone's being towards you, you aren't in her head (but you're entirely stuck in yours) so stick to your felt-state rather than trying to mind read. If you define "cold" and "distant" to yourself, that will be a better place to work from when addressing a need to another. Evaluative words will almost always make a person defensive, not a great way to have a conversation about needs. For example, "cold" may mean she's responding less to your initiating contact - you can simply express that to her as an observation rather than evaluating what she's doing TO you.

2) it sounds as though she'd gotten a case of cold feet and had an 'oh shit' moment and pulled the e-brake up a bit. That's fine, you can't FORCE someone to be vulnerable with you, that's her process and you would be well served in respecting that IF in fact you want to pursue a relationship with this person.

3) NEVER do anything for someone out of any energy other than you would a gift. You made her something for V-day, that in no way obligates her to return the favour, sorry. Your expectations were out of line and you did it expecting something in return; how is that truly a gift?

She's being less responsive because you've made things heavy (declaring you want a relationship with her so soon, giving her the so-called gift which i can guarantee she felt had strings attached, and now I can already tell you're embarking upon a passive-aggressive game to see her next move.

All of these things are going to push her away and get you more of what you don't want.

My advice? Switch gears and invest back in yourself, its what makes a man attractive anyway. Women don't want to feel a guy is more invested in her than he is in himself, its a surefire way of killing attraction. Also, investing in yourself means you are checking-in less with her and gives an air of intrigue and mystery to you. Now you're being predictable and most women have seen this pattern with various guys over their dating careers. You're falling into that mold, so hopefully u'll heed my advice before you slip down the proverbial rabbit hole.

Lastly, be aware that NOBODY is responsible for your happiness or salvation, rather, a relationship provides you with an opportunity to become more CONSCIOUS. Whatever crap you have dormant in you, when you're involved with another, all that stuff will come-up. Its your choice whether you choose to numb yourself and become more unconscious, or use the opportunity to practice presence and become a more self-aware person.
Thanks n2thevoid for the advice. In terms of checking in less, I've ceased doing the "good mornings/nights" and done more random/sporadic texts throughout the day, otherwise how do you go about checking in less?

For example, right now she's sick and I've sent a couple messages to her to make sure she's doing alright. Should I not check in on her today after messaging with her yesterday (when she was feeling sick?)

Also we see each other at most once or twice a week and I usually do the planning in terms of logistics and etc. So for this weekend, should I pull back and not even initiate a "let's meet up this weekend"? I'd really like to hear your (and anyone else's input) so that I can break away from the mold.


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What did she do to deserve the gifts?


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What did she do to deserve the gifts?
I met her right when her birthday passed and promised that I would make something for her (cheesecake).


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I met her right when her birthday passed and promised that I would make something for her (cheesecake).
I'm pretty sure he meant what she did to deserve receiving gifts. How has she earned that?
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I've ceased doing the "good mornings/nights"
Why exactly do you do this? Just thinking about being on the receiving end makes me feel very uncomfortable and suffocated.
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Should I not check in on her today after messaging with her yesterday (when she was feeling sick?)
Check in on what? She's sick. She's not dying.
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Also we see each other at most once or twice a week
This girl is right dude. You're acting as if you've been together for god knows how long when infact you barely know each other. You're showing way more investment that the situation calls for.

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I met her right when her birthday passed and promised that I would make something for her (cheesecake).
I'm pretty sure he meant what she did to deserve receiving gifts. How has she earned that?
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I've ceased doing the "good mornings/nights"
Why exactly do you do this? Just thinking about being on the receiving end makes me feel very uncomfortable and suffocated.
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Should I not check in on her today after messaging with her yesterday (when she was feeling sick?)
Check in on what? She's sick. She's not dying.
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Also we see each other at most once or twice a week
This girl is right dude. You're acting as if you've been together for god knows how long when infact you barely know each other. You're showing way more investment that the situation calls for.
When we were talking about this we agreed that we wanted something long-term, however you guys are right, I need to pull out more and also slow down to see where this goes. I think I let that long-term thing get to me and hence my behavior until now.

I have a general idea of what to do such as less contact and becoming unattached to whatever outcome occurs, however what do you guys suggest to do in this situation moving forward in my shoes?


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Ok. Few things jumped out at me.

1) "Cold" and "distant" are evaluations (or assumptions) of the way someone's being towards you, you aren't in her head (but you're entirely stuck in yours) so stick to your felt-state rather than trying to mind read. If you define "cold" and "distant" to yourself, that will be a better place to work from when addressing a need to another. Evaluative words will almost always make a person defensive, not a great way to have a conversation about needs. For example, "cold" may mean she's responding less to your initiating contact - you can simply express that to her as an observation rather than evaluating what she's doing TO you.

2) it sounds as though she'd gotten a case of cold feet and had an 'oh shit' moment and pulled the e-brake up a bit. That's fine, you can't FORCE someone to be vulnerable with you, that's her process and you would be well served in respecting that IF in fact you want to pursue a relationship with this person.

3) NEVER do anything for someone out of any energy other than you would a gift. You made her something for V-day, that in no way obligates her to return the favour, sorry. Your expectations were out of line and you did it expecting something in return; how is that truly a gift?

She's being less responsive because you've made things heavy (declaring you want a relationship with her so soon, giving her the so-called gift which i can guarantee she felt had strings attached, and now I can already tell you're embarking upon a passive-aggressive game to see her next move.

All of these things are going to push her away and get you more of what you don't want.

My advice? Switch gears and invest back in yourself, its what makes a man attractive anyway. Women don't want to feel a guy is more invested in her than he is in himself, its a surefire way of killing attraction. Also, investing in yourself means you are checking-in less with her and gives an air of intrigue and mystery to you. Now you're being predictable and most women have seen this pattern with various guys over their dating careers. You're falling into that mold, so hopefully u'll heed my advice before you slip down the proverbial rabbit hole.

Lastly, be aware that NOBODY is responsible for your happiness or salvation, rather, a relationship provides you with an opportunity to become more CONSCIOUS. Whatever crap you have dormant in you, when you're involved with another, all that stuff will come-up. Its your choice whether you choose to numb yourself and become more unconscious, or use the opportunity to practice presence and become a more self-aware person.
Thanks n2thevoid for the advice. In terms of checking in less, I've ceased doing the "good mornings/nights" and done more random/sporadic texts throughout the day, otherwise how do you go about checking in less?

For example, right now she's sick and I've sent a couple messages to her to make sure she's doing alright. Should I not check in on her today after messaging with her yesterday (when she was feeling sick?)

Also we see each other at most once or twice a week and I usually do the planning in terms of logistics and etc. So for this weekend, should I pull back and not even initiate a "let's meet up this weekend"? I'd really like to hear your (and anyone else's input) so that I can break away from the mold.
What you can do is check-in with yourself before you contact her "am I doing this out of scarcity or abundance?" or, another way to think of it as "do I need to scratch an attachment itch, or am I doing this out of 'love'?"

If its out of scarcity, or an (insecure) attachment, meditation often does the trick. It's the best way I can think of to slow things down and take control back for yourself/get back to a grounded place quickly. Alternatively you could go for a walk, or do something else active to discharge some energy, or read a book (Rewire Your Brain for Love: Creating Vibrant Relationships Using the Science of Mindfulness is a REALLY good one for building awareness of your attachment pattern(s) and how to deal with it) ... the point is to create a brief pause or slow things down a bit until you're out of that reactive state and your judgment centres in your brain come back on line.

Just to clarify, when it comes to contacting her I am not saying don't, i am just saying to CHECK IN with yourself as to why you are doing so, and be brutally honest about it, as I'd mentioned before ("scarcity" vs "abundance"). It's more the energy you're emitting and emoting that can be off putting when you are in that scarce state.


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I don't entirely understand why people set up target goals of what a relationship should be like. You both agreed you want something long term? Why? How can you possibly know whether or not you want something long term with her? You barely know her.
Maybe she sleeps in funny positions. Who'd want that? ew.

On a serious note though, stop doing that. Let relationships evolve naturally. Don't force them into whatever your ideal is.

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I don't entirely understand why people set up target goals of what a relationship should be like. You both agreed you want something long term? Why? How can you possibly know whether or not you want something long term with her? You barely know her.
Maybe she sleeps in funny positions. Who'd want that? ew.

On a serious note though, stop doing that. Let relationships evolve naturally. Don't force them into whatever your ideal is.
Thanks for the wake up call, something that I needed to snap out of the first stage. So then for example, we typically make plans for the weekend around Wednesday or Thursday and I'm always the one leading into what we'll be doing and then asking her for input based on our separate schedules. Also she has said that she's not one for making plans and likes it when the guy makes plans. Should I still do so today and be like "Let's meet up late Sat or Sun. LMK when since a couple of college friends are visiting" OR should I not even try to set up a meetup this weekend?

My action plan is to be more declarative, rather than requesting and to be less attached, since this is a recurring issue I have with every 3rd or 4th girl where I get into things real quickly. Otherwise what else would you suggest?


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Also she has said that she's not one for making plans and likes it when the guy makes plans
Ofcourse she does. She's a woman, you're a man. Your role is that of the leader, and hers is the follower. So let her follow.
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"Let's meet up late Sat or Sun. LMK when since a couple of college friends are visiting"
You need to have more respect for your time dude. This basically translates to "Let me know when you're free and I'll mold myself around your schedule". That's seriously unsexy coming from a man, and not really leading, is it? More like half-assing. You're proposing a meetup but laying the decision of when on her.

You have friends visiting man. So make plans with your friends as per your convenience. Let's say that's Saturday. So simply text her if she's free on Sunday. If she's cool with that, great. If not, that's fine, another time. Get it? Unless she specifically asks why you can't do Saturday, you don't owe any explanation.

You're giving this girl too much. Allow her to earn it.

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Met this girl start of Jan. She's a med student like me, although she's quiet and reserved. On the 2nd date we made out and got LMR 3 times, backed off. Next date we fucked. I brought her as my date to a physician's gala that I was managing for my school. Things were well, we were facetiming everyday (she would initiate and would initiate texts frequently) and had fun w/ each other going out, having sex, meeting each others friends etc. Last week, she started to get more cold and distant with her texting and was unresponsiveness.

For Valentine's I made some gifts for her (not a big fan of buying stuff and I'm broke) and we were going to a shooting range. On the morning of, I get a text "What's the plan?" Which I thought was strange, since I told her on Thur. Told her and she came late to my place (range was closed), so we settled on staying in. I tried sexually escalating twice, however she was adamant that we weren't doing it. Strange, since I haven't had an issue since.

I then say "This week you seem really cold and distant, I'm concerned and want to know how what you're feeling" She then says that we have been moving extremely fast for her, and says that her past relationships always took months to develop, whereas we took only barely a month. She feels like she barely knows me and she wants to slow down. We ended up cuddling and talking for 4 hours about past relationships, stuff we've gone through, aspirations, dreams etc. She says she wants to get back to her normal self before she got infatuated, since she said that when she's infatuated that's not really her (which I'm finding hard to believe) and wants to take things from there. Before she left I playfully said "No Valentine's gifts for me?" And she responds seriously that she only does these kinds of things when she's in a serious relationship, which I proceed to say "Even though we aren't serious yet it didn't stop me from making things to show what you mean to me. I find it difficult to see effort from your part" She says thats her standard, apologizes and says she appreciates everything she did for me (then hugs me, oh what a consolation)

Fast forward to now, she has become less responsive, terse and less warm in her texts compared to the first month. I'm playfully engaging her in texts, but she just says haha or changes the topic. I'm starting to question whether or not if this is worth it to even continue, cause she said she'll show more effort (which I teased her by saying "Talk is cheap haha let's see")

We also talked about the status of the relationship and she asked "What's our status?", which I said "I'm ready to take things to the next level with you", to which she responds "I am too, but I still need to get to know you more, so I don't know..."

My birthday is in 2 weeks and I'm curious to see what she'll do. Should I even wait until my birthday or don't even bother given the red flags this past Valentine's day weekend? The last thing I want on my birthday is some half-planned thing or a "I only do these things in a serious relationship" shit again, since lately I feel she's becoming less available and not so into it anymore.
I can almost guarantee you that her coldness is due SOLELY to not doing anything "romantic" for Valentines Day.

When she asked "what's the plan" she was hoping to do something romantic.

And yes, girls are ridiculously silly when it comes to things like this.


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I doubt that.

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This girl just sounds selfish imo. Dont get me wrong, you're way too into her, but she's selfish. You set the plans, nothing for Vday but she takes your gifts. If it were me, when she said that it wasnt the real her because she was infatuated, I wouldve said oh, that sucks because thats the girl i liked. And then gone to find a chick who was like how she used to be. You barely know me after talking every day and meeting friends? Ok.....

Dont get me wrong, its very soon, but this nonsense is too much at this point.


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For Valentine's I made some gifts for her (not a big fan of buying stuff and I'm broke) and we were going to a shooting range. On the morning of, I get a text "What's the plan?" Which I thought was strange, since I told her on Thur. Told her and she came late to my place (range was closed), so we settled on staying in. I tried sexually escalating twice, however she was adamant that we weren't doing it. Strange, since I haven't had an issue since.
RC I'd put money on it. She didn't get a "proper" VDay and now she's tripping.

Isn't it strange how she just "happened" to ask again about plans for Vday? Isn't it strange how on THAT day she decided to not put out when she'd been happy doing it before?


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