I also posted this in the general forum but i'll also post it here as not everyone visits the general forum.

I join the pua forum about 5 months ago. Using pua i was able to pick up a girl in about a month. The girl is a virgin and for the past four months it has not really bothered me that we were not having sex as we have been doing everything but intercourse. Recently though it has been bothering me and i am getting frustrated. The more i like the girl the more i want to have sex with her, and as more time passes the closer we are getting. I want to start taking action soon, for past few months i have been quiet on issue but i do not plan on keeping like that for much longer. I do not plan ditching the girl afterwards so no worries there.

I am a virgin myself i have no idea how initiate to sex with another virgin. Do i ask to penetrate or do i just go for it? As you can see im clueless. The girl has verbally expressed that she does not want to have sex before marriage. When i asked her why her response was mixed varying from religion to standards to fear of pregnancy. But she has also stated before that she wants sex (contradicting pieces of information i know). What worries me though is the fact that she was engaged to another for 1.5 years and she has kept her virginity. Given this information and what i know i expect taking her virginity is going to be very difficult. I really like this girl and do not want to give her up because of her stubborn views on sex. I know that some of you have been in this position before so is there any advice you can give me? Is it a good idea to give ultimatums?

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All right..

Initially I was thinking - since you bring up "sex before marriage" is that a cultural thing for her?

She said no sex before marriage because of religion, standards, and she stated multiple fears. I think she was coming up with just about any excuse she could think of.

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"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

out of personal experience:

You'll become more and more frustrated, it sounds like she's in power and can play games with you...

RUN AWAY!
Plenty of fish in the sea!
She's a Psycho.

Because she doesn't want to have sex before marriage you think she's a psycho ?

What kind of degeneracy is this..............

what degeneracy? mmmm I think a girl with a healthy sexuality and psychology knows that having prenuptial sex is not only tolerable but also healthy and completely natural. Truly degenerate is denying flesh and love just because you've been brought up by bigot parents.

It's her pussy and she decides but, honestly, I'd run away.

Saying "degeneracy" is very harsh, since you know nothing about me and might, in fact, find out that I' not degenerate at all! so it'd be nice of you to keep a low tone.


That said, thinking about the problem, it could be just a lack of security on behalf of the girl, so you could try making her feel more confident with you.